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May 21st: Deuteronomy 22 & Luke 11:29-54

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May 21st: Deuteronomy 22 & Luke 11:29-54

May 20, 2020
Alastair Roberts
Alastair Roberts

Laws on protection of life and sexual offences. Woes to the Pharisees and scribes.

Reflections upon the readings from the ACNA Book of Common Prayer (http://bcp2019.anglicanchurch.net/).

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Deuteronomy 22. You shall not see your brother's ox or his sheep going astray and ignore them. You shall take them back to your brother.
And if he does not live near you, and you do
not know who he is, you shall bring it home to your house, and it shall stay with you until your brother seeks it, then you shall restore it to him. And you shall do the same with his donkey or with his garment, or with any lost thing of your brother's, which he loses and you find, you may not ignore it. You shall not see your brother's donkey or his ox fallen down by the way and ignore them.
You shall help him to lift them up again. A woman shall
not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God. If you come across a bird's nest in a tree or on the ground, with young ones or eggs, and the mother sitting on the young or on the eggs, you shall not take the mother with the young.
You shall let the mother go,
but the young you may take for yourself, that it may go well with you, and that you may live long. When you build a new house you shall make a parapet for your roof, that you may not bring the guilt of blood upon your house if anyone should fall from it. You shall not sow your vineyard with two kinds of seed, lest the whole be forfeited, the crop that you have sown and the yield of the vineyard.
You shall not plough with an ox and a donkey
together. You shall not wear cloth of wool and linen mixed together. You shall make yourselves tassels on the four corners of the garment with which you cover yourself.
If any man takes a wife, and goes into her and then hates her, and accuses her of misconduct, and brings a bad name upon her, saying, I took this woman, and when I came near her I did not find in her evidence of virginity, then the father of the young woman and her mother shall take and bring out the evidence of her virginity to the elders of the city in the gate. And the father of the young woman shall say to the elders, I gave my daughter to this man to marry, and he hates her, and behold he has accused her of misconduct, saying, I did not find in your daughter evidence of virginity, and yet this is the evidence of my daughter's virginity, and they shall spread the cloak before the elders of the city. Then the elders of that city shall take the man and whip him, and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver, and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought a bad name upon a virgin of Israel, and she shall be his wife, he may not divorce her all his days.
But if the thing is true that evidence of virginity was not found in the
young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father's house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst. If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman, so you shall purge the evil from Israel.
If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with
her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry for help, though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbour's wife, so you shall purge the evil from your midst. But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die, but you shall do nothing to the young woman, she has committed no offence punishable by death. For this case is like that of a man attacking and murdering his neighbour, because he met her in the open country, and though the betrothed young woman cried for help, there was no one to rescue her.
If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes
her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her, he may not divorce her all his days. A man shall not take his father's wife, so that he does not uncover his father's nakedness. In Deuteronomy chapter 22 we reach the end of the section devoted to the sixth commandment, and in verse 9 of this chapter we move on to the material associated with the seventh.
Verses 1-4 concern brothers' animals gone astray or in need. Lost animals should be returned, and animals in need should be assisted. This is related to earlier commandments in Exodus chapter 23 verses 4-5.
If you meet your enemy's ox or his donkey going astray, you shall bring it back to him. If you see the donkey of one who hates you lying down under its burden, you shall refrain from leaving him with it. You shall rescue it with him.
There seem to be a number of things going on. First of all, there is the concern of love for neighbour, your duty to return anything to your neighbour, not just an animal. But there seems to be something more than this.
It's not just about the preservation of your
neighbour's property. There is a focus upon animals for a reason, upon living things. Do not let an animal suffer on account of your disputes or your neglect.
This is something
that comes again under the sixth commandment. If you are truly caring about life, if you are truly opposed to the wrongful taking of life, then you will take care for animals. You will not let them suffer on account of your hatred.
Verse 5 is a very unusual one in this particular context. A woman is not to wear a man's garment nor a man a woman's cloak. Now, why this is found under this particular section is not entirely clear.
What does this have to do with the sixth commandment? It would seem
to belong more naturally with the section that follows concerning the seventh. It seems to be premised upon the need for a distinction between the sexes. The distinction between the sexes being considered here are conventional.
Like language, conventional forms of attire
for the sexes change from society to society. Likewise, the implements that they use and the other things that they are associated with. However, God is concerned that there is not any confusion between men and women.
That distinction is meaningful and important
and it must be preserved in language, it must be preserved in dress, it must be preserved in custom and convention and all these different ways. The actual form that living out such a commandment would take would differ from society to society. In no two societies are customs and conventions surrounding male and female behaviour exactly the same.
But every
single society draws a distinction between male and female. While behavioural and dress norms for men and women radically differ from society to society and in no two societies are the same, every single society has such distinctions. And it is important that we preserve them and honour them, that there is not confusion between these things.
Some
have suggested that perhaps there is a reference to the woman dressing for war here, that she should not dress for war, she should not go out to war. That's a possibility. Either way it is odd in its place.
What might it have to do with the sixth commandment? I really
don't know. One suggestion would be that an attack upon differentiation is presented as an attack upon life itself. Life is formed by differentiation.
Differentiation is what
makes us fruitful as male and female, different from each other but yet fruitfully related. And an attack upon that differentiation is an attack upon life itself. It breaks down life.
It attacks that core symbol of the fruitfulness of life, the difference between male and female.
And for that reason perhaps it comes under the commandment not to murder. But I suspect that something more still is going on here.
It's worth looking at more closely. Right
now our understanding of this text might be something like a loose thread that threatens to unravel a few things. It needs closer thought.
The commandment that follows in verses 6-7 concerning the bird's nest is another odd one. Like the commandment against boiling kids in their mother's milk, some concern is shown in it for the relationship between the mother and the child. There's an honouring of the maternal bond here.
Do not take advantage of the maternal bond in order to kill a creature.
The person who finds this nest happens across it. The person doesn't seem to be purposefully hunting for bird's eggs.
Rather they chance across it. And they chance across it with
the mother there. And the mother's there because she wants to protect her nest.
In that situation
the mother is vulnerable precisely because of her maternal instinct. And refusing to take advantage of that maternal instinct, to take her along with her young, is a way of honouring the maternal instinct more generally. We have a similar expression used in Genesis 32 verse 11 where Jacob speaks to the Lord.
The situation would be one of Esau attacking the children and the mothers being defenceless but not being able to run because their children are being attacked. An interesting feature of this law is that it comes with a promise. That it may go well with you and that you may live long.
This is the same promise that is attached to the fifth commandment. And
so honouring father and mother, and in this case particularly the mother, is related to the commandment here concerning the bird. Yet this comes under the sixth commandment.
And under the sixth commandment it's about the preservation of life. And in this particular case it's about the honouring of the maternal instinct. Even in its most fragile and small form in a little bird, that you will honour that instinct.
And as a result of that you
will be honoured in the land. That instinct is one of the reasons why you enjoy life. And so you do not use that as a means of bringing death.
Verse 8 and the parapet law is the last material that falls under the sixth commandment. Israel is required to be proactive in guarding life. Once again there's concern for the guilt of spilled blood.
Even in an accident, a failure to take concern for safety of people on your
property can make you culpable for your negligence. Such case laws are exemplary. They're not comprehensive.
There are very glaring gaps
in the material that we have in the law here. It's not a comprehensive legal system. It was never intended to be.
Rather it gives us principles by which we understand justice.
And the more that we learn justice and its principles through reflecting upon these laws, the more that we'll be able to apply them to novel situations. In verses 9 to 11 we move into a new body of material.
This is material associated with
the seventh commandment. You shall not commit adultery. Yet it seems a strange body of material with which to begin.
To appreciate what's going on in the laws concerning unlawful
mixtures, we need to think about the symbolism of commandments. The commandments of the law often have a symbolic import. They represent bigger truths in symbolic categories.
Human
realities are mapped onto animal realities and agricultural realities. Israel is a vineyard. But Israel as a vineyard must not be sown with two kinds of seed.
Human persons are
described as seed elsewhere in scripture. In Jeremiah 31, verse 27, Behold the days are coming declares the Lord when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and the seed of beast. The commandment not to have mixed seed within your vineyard is a commandment to ensure Israel's purity as a nation.
God's concern
here isn't really with what Israel sows in their physical vineyards. That's a symbol of what he really cares about. What he cares about is their faithfulness as a people, their purity as a people, and the way they treat their vineyards will be a symbol of that.
Likewise with the ox and the donkey. The ox is clean and the donkey is unclean. Others have suggested that this may be a reflection upon events within Israel's history.
Jacob
is the ox. In the blessings and judgments upon his sons he speaks about the hamstringing of an ox by Simeon and Levi and it is likely that he is talking about himself. What then is the donkey? Donkey is Hamel, the wild ass as his name means.
This is a mixture of two
households, a mixture of an unclean and a clean household, an attempt to bring them together as one people so that they intermarry. They are not to do that. The commandment not to mix wool and linen seems to be an unlawful mixture for another reason.
Such a mixture
is holy. It's a mixture that you find in the garments of the priests. And so purity on the one hand requires refraining from impure mixtures and on the other hand it requires refraining from mixtures that are holy to the Lord.
Verse 12 concerning tassels and garments again relates to the principle of purity. In Numbers chapter 15 verses 37 to 41 the rationale of these tassels is explained. The Lord said to Moses, speak to the people of Israel and tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations and to put a cord of blue on the tassel of each corner and it shall be a tassel for you to look at and remember all the commandments of the Lord, to do them not to follow after your own heart and your own eyes which you are inclined to whore after.
So you shall remember and do all my commandments and be
holy to your God. I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt to be your God. I am the Lord your God.
The purpose of the tassels was to preserve Israel from
spiritual adultery, to whore after their own eyes and heart. These tassels are as it were signs of Israel's marital status, that they are holy to the Lord and they must live in such a manner. The tassels also seem to be connected with the garments of the high priest.
And so there is a natural association between this commandment and the one that immediately precedes it concerning the wool and the linen. Verses 13 to 21, the law concerning the woman accused of infidelity, is an incredibly difficult one to read. It offends many of our modern sensibilities and we need to read it with care.
First of all, how do we read difficult passages like this? The first thing to do
is not to dodge the problems. Be honest about the difficulties that we have. Look at the passage carefully.
Be patient. Don't panic. Don't get tunnel visioned.
Recognise the
limitations of your understanding. Draw encouragement from your past experience. If you are anything like me there have been many, many times that you have looked at the passage and felt daunted by it.
You have not known how to understand it. And then you have spent a lot of time
with it and it has opened up. The more that you have done that, the less threatened you are by passages and their challenges.
In all likelihood, if you give time to it, this passage
will open up too. Most importantly, trust the author. We know that the author of this text is God himself and we believe he is a good God.
We have learnt so much about him
elsewhere that we can trust him with those things that we do not know. Be prepared to continue to wrestle with the text in the darkness until you are blessed. While admitting that you are in darkness, that you really do not know what it means, be patient and wait for things to open up.
When dealing with the laws we should also be clear that the laws are
dealing with a fallen world. The laws are accommodated to such a world and to the sinful people within it. Jesus' teaching about Moses' permission of divorce is a good example here.
The permission of divorce is not the ideal, it is not the way that God designed things to be. God's intent is that marriage should be indissoluble. But in the sinful and fallen world, allowance has to be made for divorce.
The laws are also accommodated to a far less
socially and politically complex society, where social, political, police and legal structures were very limited and laws had to function within those limits. Laws such as these had to function in a society that was much more patriarchal, where men as the physically and socially stronger sex had social, legal and political power and agency and women had very little. This was less the result of direct oppression than it was the result of limited structures in society, where the fact that social institutions and power structures overwhelmingly arise out of male power was far more immediately felt, because there was much less abstraction of that power from the immediacy of the family structure into strong social institutions that could limit men.
Consequently, the policing of men and
the protection of women generally had to arise from men of her own family or from the wider congregation of men. While we should be mindful of the patriarchal origins and the foundations of social, political and legal structures, we should be very thankful that we have moved beyond them in a great many ways. We should not idealise the situation here, but we should recognise that the law is speaking into it.
Getting then to this particular law is one in which the man accuses his wife of sexual infidelity and the charge of infidelity is taken very seriously. It seems that he hates her and wants to put her away. It is interesting that this is presented in a way that puts forward the false and malicious charge as if it were the typical case.
What is happening
here is seemingly an attempt of a husband to get out of an unwanted marriage by blackening the name of his wife. And the deterrent for false charges is very significant. There is a whipping, 100 shekels of silver he must pay to the family of his wife and no right to divorce his wife because he had brought a bad name upon her.
This would serve to give
security to the woman and security to women more generally from such false charges. We can also see the test of jealousy in Numbers chapter 5 which deals with a similar case. In that case the woman must be brought towards the Lord and the Lord will cast judgement in her case.
Her case is not left in the charge of men. The concern here is less with virginity
as such as it is with the honour of the woman. I think that there is a clue to the actual nature of what is taking place in the fact that the man does not suffer the death penalty for his accusation.
Usually there would be
the death penalty for any false accusation in a capital case. Rather it seems that the man is trying to initiate a divorce by the false claim that she has been unfaithful. He's trying to put her away.
He's not trying to put her to death with that claim. This
explains why the law starts with the false charge. The law is really about the way that a family could protect their falsely charged daughter.
This is then why the punishment
of the man is focused on his loss of right to divorce and his being dishonoured and required to give money to the family of his wife, which like the bride price they would presumably keep in trust for her. If she were not in fact a virgin the family could just let the divorce go ahead. Perhaps the death penalty comes when the woman and her family refuse to let the divorce go ahead and try and trap the man in the marriage, but it is shown that she was in fact not a virgin.
In that case she is to be put to death for her infidelity.
The law protects women's reputations then. It also gives them security against divorces undertaken on false grounds by providing strong deterrence.
However it also provides strong
deterrence against non-marital sexual relations. Verses 22-29 are laws concerning seduction, rape and adultery. The punishment for adultery is severe.
Adultery is taken extremely seriously and has implications for the entire community.
They must purge the evil from Israel. Unfaithfulness in marriage is a dishonouring of an institution that lies at the heart of Israelite society.
This, like many other sexual sins, is not
seen as a private matter. This is followed by the twin cases of the betrothed virgin. One in the city and one without.
One is a situation where the relationship is presumed
to be consensual because the woman didn't cry out or protest. The other is one in which it is presumed to be non-consensual because there was no one to hear her. It is important to recognise that what we have here are illustrations of principles of justice, not so much laws that must be woodenly applied.
What happens if the woman in the city is prevented from
crying out by her rapist? What if she doesn't cry out from fear when being raped but runs for help as soon as it is over? I presume that this would satisfy the principle. However, if no protest or reporting occurs, there is good reason to believe that the act was consensual. The law of the man who lies with the unbetrothed virgin comes next.
This law has a parallel
in Exodus 22, verses 16-17. If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins.
Here
it seems to be applied to someone who had forceful relations with a woman. If she wants to go ahead and marry him and her father consents, he must pay the bride price and he has no right to divorce her. One could perhaps imagine this law being invoked in a situation where a man forced himself upon a woman against her protestations who was attracted to him but did not want to have sexual relations before they were properly married.
What it most
definitely does not do is give the rapist the right to marry his victim. The bride price that would have to be paid even if she did not want to marry him was in part designed to ensure that she would not suffer on the account of his rape with potential suitors. The final law of the chapter concerns incest, not taking your father's wife, not uncovering your father's nakedness.
This language is language that we have already encountered
in Leviticus. A question to consider. What are some specific applications that we might make in the modern day of the law of the mother bird? Luke chapter 11 verses 29-54 When the crowds were increasing he began to say, This generation is an evil generation.
It seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given
it except the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah became a sign to the people of Nineveh, so will the Son of Man be to this generation. The Queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.
The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn
it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or under a basket but on a stand so that those who enter may see the light. Your eye is the lamp of your body.
When your
eye is healthy, your whole body is full of light, but when it is bad, your body is full of darkness. Therefore be careful lest the light in you be darkness. If then your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, it will be wholly bright, as when a lamp with its rays gives you light.
While Jesus was speaking, a Pharisee asked him to dine with him. So he went in and reclined at table. The Pharisee was astonished to see that he did not first wash before dinner.
And
the Lord said to him, Now you Pharisees cleanse the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You fools! Did not he who made the outside make the inside also? But give as alms those things that are within, and behold, everything is clean for you. But woe to you, Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, and neglect justice and the love of God.
These you ought to have done without neglecting
the others. Woe to you, Pharisees! For you love the best seat in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces. Woe to you! For you are like unmarked graves, and people walk over them without knowing it.
One of the lawyers answered him, Teacher, in saying these things you insult us also. And he said, Woe to you lawyers also! For you load people with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not touch the burdens with one of your fingers. Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets whom your fathers killed.
So you are witnesses and you
consent the deeds of your fathers, for they killed them, and you build their tombs. Therefore also the wisdom of God said, I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute, so that the blood of all the prophets shed from the foundation of the world may be charged against this generation, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it will be required of this generation.
Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did
not enter yourselves, and you hindered those who were entering. As he went away from there, the scribes and the Pharisees began to press him hard and to provoke him to speak about many things, lying in wait for him, to catch him in something he might say.
In the second half of Luke chapter 11, Jesus is called by the crowds to give them a sign. And Jesus gives them nothing but the sign of the prophet Jonah. Now why are they given the sign of Jonah? Jesus, among other things, is declaring in advance what he is going to do in his death and resurrection, so that when it happens it will be clear what was intended.
The Israel of Jonah's day was adulterous as a people, and Jonah was sent to the people
of Nineveh in part as a sign of God's judgment of leaving Israel and going to the nations, provoking Israel to jealousy by showing them mercy. The Israel of Jesus' day would experience the same thing. It is also a sign to Israel of its own judgment of exile, but deliverance.
The unfaithful prophet Jonah is thrown into the sea, as his nation will be thrown into the sea of exile. However, if Israel in exile, like Jonah in the belly of the big fish, calls out to the Lord for deliverance, they may find rescue. Christ as Israel is cast into the sea of the Gentiles and into the exile of death itself.
Yet he will rise up, like
Jonah. Jesus' whole mission is a sign. He is the sign to Israel, and the resurrection most particularly.
Jesus here particularly speaks about Jonah as a sign to Nineveh, and
presumably as a sign to Nineveh he is especially a sign of the Lord's power and judgment. The Ninevites of Jonah's day responded to Jonah as the sign and to his preaching, but Israel will not respond to Christ. Christ is the greater than Jonah.
He is also the greater
than Solomon. The Queen of Sheba travelled to see Solomon, but yet Jesus is God's wisdom in person. So you have the northern city of Nineveh and the Queen of the South.
Both of
them will rise up in judgment on the last day against Israel. I do not believe it is accidental that both of these groups that rise up in judgment against Israel are Gentiles. The faithful response of the Gentiles to Christ will be a cause of Israel's own condemnation.
A lamp is used to illumine, and here Jesus uses the idea of the lamp to describe the eye. We can talk about the apple of the eye for instance. It's that thing that we are focused upon.
It's that thing that we cherish above all else. The eye orients the body.
It turns the head.
It moves the entire body as a result. If your eye has light as its
focus then your entire body will be affected by that, filled with light. Your eye will take on the character of those things that you give it to looking at, and your body will take on the character of your eye.
The eye here is not just a receptive organ in Jesus'
understanding. The eye is not just taking in light. It's giving out light.
The person
with a healthy eye views the entire world in a way that brings light to it. They bring light through their wisdom. They bring light through their generosity.
They bring light
through their faith. We must train ourselves to use our eye in a way that brings light to the world. To view the world in a way that illumines it.
Jesus is invited to eat
with a Pharisee, and before eating the Pharisee is astonished that Jesus does not cleanse himself. The point of this washing is not hygiene but ritual purity. But Jesus teaches that true purity or impurity lies within and flows from within.
Ritual is not a substitute
for or a source of purity. It's a symbolic expression of purity. A true purity is manifested in a giving disposition of heart.
And as the heart is pure, everything else becomes pure.
Jesus then launches into some woes upon the Pharisees. They fixate upon the minutiae of the law, and they utterly neglect the big picture.
The law is about justice and the
love of God. The law is not just a lot of different commandments that we must observe, these separate laws. It's a unified body of material.
A unified body of material in the
principles of loving God and neighbour. The things that really matter, the things that really have weight are justice and the love of God. And a way of practicing the law that detaches the law from these core principles of loving God and neighbour and makes it merely about legalistic observance is a perversion of what the law stands for.
And Jesus declares
a woe upon the Pharisees on this account. The Pharisees are also those who desire the praise of men over that of God. They want to be praised in the towns and in the squares.
They want
to be recognised in the synagogues. They want the honour of men. And yet they do not care about the honour of God who sees the heart.
They want the external honour of society.
They are unmarked graves. They spread impurity to others without the other people even knowing it.
There is a humorous shift in Jesus' discourse at this point as the lawyers suggest that
Jesus' statements are whistling past their ears and he wants to warn Jesus to be careful lest he catch them in friendly fire, at which Jesus turns his sights upon the lawyers and lets rip. They place heavy burdens upon people, but they will not touch them at all. They teach but they do not do.
They do not lead by example, but simply crush the people in
legalism. The scribes build up the tombs of the prophets that their fathers killed while continuing the tradition of persecution and rejection of God's messengers that have been sent to them. Indeed Jesus says that the blood of Abel, the first martyr in Genesis chapter 4, to the blood of Zachariah, the last in 2 Chronicles chapter 24 verses 20-22, will come upon them.
That generation will suffer the full weight of God's judgement upon those
who unrighteously shed the blood of the martyrs. In addition to all their other sins, the scribes remove the means of knowledge from the people. They are entrusted with teaching the scriptures, but they lock it up in their traditions and false teaching.
They themselves don't enter
into the kingdom, but they prevent others from doing so too. A question to consider. There is a lot of treatment of internal and external things within this chapter.
What are
some of the ways in which the external practice of ritual can spring up from a reality within?

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Why Do Some Churches Say You Need to Keep the Mosaic Law?
#STRask
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Which Books Left a Lasting Impression on You?
#STRask
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What Evidence Can I Give for Objective Morality?
#STRask
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Nicene Orthodoxy with Blair Smith
Life and Books and Everything
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Can Historians Prove that Jesus Rose from the Dead? Licona vs. Ehrman
Risen Jesus
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In this episode, Dr. Mike Licona and Dr. Bart Ehrman face off for the second time on whether historians can prove the resurrection. Dr. Ehrman says no
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What Should I Say to Someone Who Believes Zodiac Signs Determine Personality?
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June 5, 2025
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Bible Study: Choices and Character in James, Part 1
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Wintery Knight and Desert Rose explore chapters 1 and 2 of the Book of James. They discuss the book's author, James, the brother of Jesus, and his mar
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An Ex-Christian Disputes Jesus' Physical Resurrection: Licona vs. Barker - Part 2
Risen Jesus
July 16, 2025
In this episode , we have Dr. Mike Licona's first-ever debate. In 2003, Licona sparred with Dan Barker at the University of Wisonsin-Madison. Once a C