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The Disciplined Man

July 30, 2023
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Being a curious man is important, but curiosity devoid from discipline and direction can be unfruitful. This episode we attempt to give very practical advise for a self-regulated life. For The King!!!

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* Proverbs 16:22

* Proverbs 13:18

* Proverbs 13:1

* Galatians 5:22-24

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Hello, For The King listeners. I am not your host, Rocky Ramsey. My name is Will Drusimsky, a brother in Christ and friend of Raku's, whom he has generously invited onto the show in order to verbally showcase my artwork to you in 50 seconds.
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And I'll not apologize for this God of the Bible. Hello friends, welcome to the For the King podcast. I am your host, Rocky Ramsey.
And on the For the King podcast, we proclaim the edicts of the king, namely and chiefly that Yahweh reigns.
We are thankful that you guys are joining us today. I am joined on these Sunday episodes with my brother Bryce.
What's up, dude? How you doing?
Yo! There he is. And we also have Jason. Hello, guys.
How are you?
There he is. So we've had Jason on before, but we're thankful he's here to help us work through this topic. So we're continuing on this series about what it means to be a Godly Christian man.
What kind of men is God looking for?
What are his eyes searching for as they run to and fro throughout the earth? So last week, or maybe, I guess maybe three weeks now ago, I've been a little slow on this. We had hit all the curious men. You haven't been disciplined.
I haven't been disciplined. I'm trying to be better about that. Take the log out of your eye.
I know. I'm going to try to be more disciplined about this guy. So after this podcast, you can email and say, dude, like, what the heck? This is a don't do as I do.
Don't do as I do. Watch. Do as I say, don't do what I do.
So we just went through the curious man was the last topic. So, you know, hopefully we gave some good thoughts there about, you know, men ought to be curious about God's world and be interested in what's going on in the world. That's good.
There's another component of it that we can't just end there and just think we ought to be curious.
We also need to be disciplined men to hone in our curiosity to make it worth something. Curiosity in and of itself isn't it's not worth much, especially if you're orienting your curiosity of things that are wicked and wrong.
So let me read a few texts here that are going to set the stage for us and then and then we'll move forward. So Proverbs 16 22 understanding is a fountain of life to one who has it, but the discipline of fools is folly. And then coupling that with Proverbs 13 18 poverty and shame will come to him who neglects discipline, but he who regards for proof will be honored.
So few things we want to extract here. If you want to be an honored man, you need to regard for proof with welcome. You need to welcome being reproved and being disciplined poverty and shame will come upon you if you're not disciplined and curiosity and understanding is a fountain of life.
It's good. But if you're a fool, if you have foolish discipline that just brings about folly. So those two problems are what we want to work on here and start this conversation.
So I don't know if you guys have any thoughts before we kind of move forward and start discussing this. Perhaps one of like a preliminary discussion when you're looking in the Old Testament, if you just do a quick little search, you look up discipline or discipline. Everything that pops up is always done in the context of a fatherly discipline of a son, a correction, a chastisement.
But what we're trying to get at here is discipline that has that connotation because what it is displaying is a reconstitution to having an ordered life. So that's it. Discipline in and of itself is being well ordered.
And when you're receiving discipline, you're receiving a reconstitution, a restructuring or a reordering of your life.
That's what a parent does to a kid. But we also, we're talking about regulating yourself.
We're talking about disciplining yourself, which is like you are literally making your life harder, chastising yourself in a sense.
You're disciplining yourself towards that. And that's why one of the fruits of the spirit in Galatians 5 is self control.
You are literally beating your body. I mean, Paul talks about that. He beats his body to make it.
He's like a boxer. He wants to be fighting the right fight.
You need to make sure you're addressing those things in yourself and being self controlled.
Jason, do you have any thought before you get going? No, I've got it. Okay. So there's a few practical things we want to discuss about how we think that this makes sense when you discipline yourself as a man.
So we had talked about curiosity last time. And we can be curious about a lot of different things in life. And usually men do have things that they might hobby or their profession, their family.
There's a lot of things that we should be invested in and learning a lot about. But like we said at the beginning, we want to orient that towards the good. The good, the true, the noble set your mind on things that are above.
So one that we had in mind that we were thinking about coming into this episode is how can you discipline yourself or punish yourself in a sense to have a right ordered life. Well, it's huge that a man has energy to do what he ought to do each day. And that's just book ending your day with proper discipline so you can do the deeds and the things that God has called you to do as a man.
So that'd be setting an alarm and waking up early and making it, making that a good solid habit that you have that your discipline and then going to bed on time to make sure you can wake up early to do those things. Right. That's very, very important for a man to have that down pat.
Right. And you see this in the business world and the self-help world.
This is just a natural principle God's put in the world.
But Christians ought not to neglect it. We see God giving us sleep in Psalm four.
He lays down, David lays down and he feels safe and safety while I find sleep.
So the Lord is the one that gives sleep. So go and take it.
If the Lord is giving it to you, he's going to make you dwell on safety.
He's giving you promises that you're going to be more than a conqueror in Christ.
Go and get some sleep. Go and get what you need to have in order to be the man you're supposed to be.
What do you guys think?
And then there's the abuse of the grace of sleep that God gives us by, as it says in the Proverbs, as a sluggard turns himself in the bed, the righteous or the disciplined man turns the door hinge. Yeah. So while the righteous man is walking out the door and turning that hinge, the sluggard is still rolling over in his bed.
Exactly.
So there's always an abuse of graces that we will take for granted. For instance, the rain, right? When God gives the showers to come and farmers don't pay homage to God for it, that is an abuse of that grace.
So yeah, the point of discipline is recognizing the creation mandate that God's given you to act as a man and to do that thing, to be ordered and structured and to live your life in accordance with God's great giftings to you. Yeah. Amen.
I think discipline starts with just developing good habits. And so if you don't develop good habits, then you ultimately come into being irresponsible. And so I think the discipline of this establishing good habits in a day to day life, whether it's just your work, getting up early, doing your devotions early in the morning, whatever's productive for you that you establish habits with those things, whether it's exercising your food.
I mean, even our pastor discussed today about if you're talking about the Sabbath rest and make, you know, resting on that seventh day for us to be the first day of the week. But if you come to Sunday and you're wrestling and you're rushing to get everything done, then you've been undisciplined in your week leading up to that. So developing good habits ultimately comes from establishing discipline in your own life.
So it just has to start with the small things and learning from your mistakes. And as these guys have said, is being willing to take correction. And I'll even admit it even in my own life.
If you don't take correction, you'll receive the consequences of it. So my admonition to young men is to be willing to be humble, to take correction from other men who are older and wiser. Otherwise you will reap the consequences of it.
So discipline means to establish good, godly habits and be willing to take instruction and reproof from older, godly, wise men. That's good. That brings up the next dimension of the conversation that we are talking about regulating yourself, having self control and disciplining yourself.
But like Jason was saying, being disciplined as a man, you can literally be disciplined by another man that's coming to you and bringing that against you and correcting you, which is why that shows up in this proverb. So being a disciplined man means you get disciplined by other men that you respect because you put yourself in a situation where you're around other men that will call you out on stuff and are disciplined themselves. And then you iron sharpens iron in that way.
We have other proverbs that are about that. So that's really important. That's another element of it.
You need to be in a community where that's possible. Yeah. Well, and if you think about what Paul writes to the Corinthians and his second epistle there, he says, many of you have mentors, but not many of you have fathers.
But I've become a father of you through the faith.
Yeah, that's huge. So these Corinthians were not structuring or organizing or being disciplined in the church that they had because all they had were just mere mentors, but they didn't have a father figure to lead them.
And this couples together very well with Proverbs 13.1, which says, a wise son accepts his father's discipline. So if we want to be more disciplined men, the first thing that we ought to do is say, who do I imitate? Right? So for us, we're Christians. What does that mean? We're little Christ.
We're followers of the King on high.
So the first thing that we would want to do is say, am I being conformed to the image of Christ? How did Christ walk? Oh, let me look at Philippians chapter two. Christ became a servant of all.
He didn't consider himself, but he laid down his life on behalf of other people. How about for me as a disciplined man, let me start saying my life for years instead of your life for mine. So we discipline ourselves to act righteously.
Exactly. And we accept reproof from people when we're not walking in that manner.
So our eyes should be to our father and our father's approval and not what Jordan Peterson says about your sock drawer.
So that is the way we should be constructing our lives. That discipline comes from imitation. And if you don't have imitation, you will never be a truly disciplined man.
That's good.
I think to piggyback off of that is we imitate other things, other people in our lives. Just as an example, if you're into sports, I know that when I was young, I would watch baseball and basketball and see these guys on television.
And I would go out and try to imitate what they did on the field and try to grow in that. And then I think the example is Paul says to imitate me. So therefore as Christian men, we should be looking at men that we can see within our church that are godly examples of godly men who are leading their wives, their children, serving in the church that are doing it.
We should be able to look at those men, evaluate their lives and say, well, this man I can see is really, he's a Christ follower and he's exemplifying that in every aspect of his life. And then maybe we could reach out to him and say, Lord, I hate him. But how can I, what are you doing that I can glean from you so that I can become and imitate what you have done in your own life in my life? So I think that it's good for men to be looking at other men within the church and say, is there men in my church that I can go to and glean some wisdom from of how they've lived their lives and established a god ordering a godly home and how they've been successful in their careers and gain wisdom from them by how they've been living their lives.
Because we do that other areas to where we look at athletes, we, you know, Bryce has bought up Jordan Peterson, a lot of men are looking at Jordan Peterson as somebody to emulate. Well, they're trying to imitate him, but that's all in vain because he's not a Christian. And so therefore we need to be looking at godly men.
How do we imitate the godly men around us and establish that in our own lives? Well, Jason brings up a really good point there. We have an issue in our society with Evangelical Christians. So if you're struggling, if you're committing the sin of watching pornography, you don't start up an accountability group with a person who also struggles with pornography.
Right? Because guess what? He hasn't gained victory over it. He has no wisdom or discipline for you. If you're struggling with pornography, how about you go find a godly old man who has conquered that sin and you get wisdom and advice from him, not some other yuppie duck who keeps, you know, giving it.
And then so, yeah, I think this is a, this might hit pretty hard. Some of you guys listening, but if you don't have, if you're in a context where there's no men like that, you literally have to leave. You're going to die where you're at.
You have to go and be around other Christian men that you can emulate.
If you're at a church where you look around, you know, something's off and all of the men around are effeminate and they do not need their family. They're not curious about the world.
Like some of the things we've been talking about and they're not disciplined and there's really nothing you can learn from them. You better leave.
I mean, that might hit hard to some of you listening, but you need to reflect on that.
I think that's a really practical point.
Like you just need to be around other people that are doing the same stuff you're doing that you can emulate. It's going to be huge.
When you look at the book that Paul wrote to Titus or the letter, he says, I think three or four times, stir one another up to love and good works. You can't be stirred to that if you don't have someone to do the stirring. Right? The person standing by the pool of Shiloh, they're always going to be a cripple unless the angel comes down and stirs the water for them to get in and find a remedy.
So you have to have the stirring done in order for there to be healing. You have to have – yeah. And you can even see, I think of like when Mark began early on with Paul and Barnabas.
We don't actually know exactly all that happened with why Paul and Barnabas had this disagreement, but Barnabas took Paul and you can see he must have discipled him throughout that process because later on Paul's like, bring Mark. So you can see that this – he was obviously in some ways a perception, I guess, maybe that he was discipled by Barnabas and he matured. And I think within learning from my own walk that having a much older man and being willing to be humble and to take correction will help you to advance and grow in your walk and more Christ-likeness much earlier on.
If we have younger men that are spending more time with older men, leaning from them, learning to imitate what they're doing in their lives, and the older men – the exhortation is to be to take on the younger men and to disciple them and give them examples and invite them into your home to see how you run your family and how you build up your wife and raise up your children. So I think it's too full of the young men need to have the humility because as a young man, you just – you think you're right about everything. You think that you know it all and you're full of energy and zeal, which is good, but you need to be able to harness that and some older men can temper that and have them.
So I think it's kind of a two-part thing there. I think the young men need to have the humility to seek out older men and the older men need to be willing to disciple the younger men in the church. So Jason, you're an old man.
Very old man. Whatever. So we've been practical.
Let's get a little bit more practical. So what was a daily – give us your daily schedule. What do you do to grow and conform our need to the image of Christ?
For me personally, I mean, I had to leave for work at 5 a.m. So I get up – we get up at 4 a.m. and got a godly wife.
She makes me breakfast while I'm in the Word. I'm reading.
I do a short prayer before that.
So I read every morning before I leave for work. And then I go to work. I'll listen to some podcasts and sermons as I'm driving to work.
And then I try to be intentional about making sure that, well, I'm responsible for my job. I just go in there and just work hard, keep to myself as much as possible. If the Lord gives me opportunities to share the gospel, then I do it.
But I'm there to bring honor and glory to the Lord, keep my head down and do my job. And then I set out each week to have a discipline. I've done this for years to where I'm going to set a goal for four times a week.
I'm going to work out, but at a minimum, I'm working out three times a week. And I'm very flexible on that because if I work overtime or something comes up, then I alter that to know that, okay, if I got a free evening, then I'm going to take that evening to work out. And then we do, if we don't have plans that evening or something going on, then we sit down, we do our devotions after we eat dinner and we pray, we go over things in that.
And then we try to be in bed by no later than nine, nine 30, so that I can get at least six plus hours of sleep so that I'm not so tired the next day. And then I try to be really intentional about getting things done through the week. So as when Sunday comes, I'm not stressing about the things I didn't get done through the week that I can come and enjoy fellowship at church, come home, enjoy that time with family, these guys, Brandy, and just enjoy that time and not be stressed about, okay, tomorrow I got a million things I got to do.
So that's just the way I kind of structure my week. Our pastor touched on it today about rest. I'm pretty set on, I know I need to get rest.
So I'm very kind of disciplined in making sure I get at least six plus hours of sleep every night if I possibly can.
Sometimes doesn't happen, but that's typically how my work week goes. And I'm developing those habits.
And once you establish those habits, when you don't do them, you kind of feel like, man, I failed this week. I didn't get this accomplished.
And then when you get to that end of that week, you know, you've done those things.
It's like, okay, this is a good week. God's been gracious. I was able to get all this accomplished.
But have grace to know that you're not going to achieve that each and every week. It's just discipline is not being perfect. It just means you're consistent in what you're doing.
And you started doing all the discipline things that you do now. You started doing that right away when you first began a Christian, right? No, I did not. That's a very good point.
That's my point of saying that being younger and not being willing to take correction.
I read the consequences of some of that. So learning that, hey, you got to confess your pride and put it aside and be willing to take corrections from then and older than you.
So yeah, so it is growing in that maturity and Christ of learning to establish those good habits and learn from other men. So yeah, no, I was never, I wasn't that way around. So I think piggybacking off that, I think the big takeaway from, I think this episode should, well, one of them is that the life that you live as a Christian, it's like a, took a tree, you know, you're growing a tree, which is your life.
You're an oak of righteousness and you're growing.
And that takes a long time to grow. You just do the same stuff over and over again.
You're disciplined. You know what to do as a Godly man because all the things we've talked about, you have other men emulating it. You have God's word.
You have the forerunner of Christ running before us.
You know what you need to emulate. You have God's word, the spirit of God in you.
And then you just slowly grow over a long time. So I mean, I love to think about investing. A lot of people just want to get rich really quick.
But actually the way you build wealth is over a long period of time. You literally do the exact same thing. Slow investing over a long period of time.
Same thing in the Christian life. So this is a good lesson. I think I've had to learn being younger is you want everything really quick, right?
You just like, well, you want it to happen.
But the Christian life, you know, it's a marathon. You're an oak of righteousness. It takes a long time to grow a big, big strong oak tree.
So don't be discouraged.
You know, when you try to do something and it's difficult in terms of like setting discipline in your life, you just need to literally like we talked about earlier, discipline is always talking about reproof. So when you get knocked down, when you fall into sin or when you don't fulfill something that you need to do in a very disciplined manner, you get right back up and you literally just do the same thing again.
And you don't stop until you get it. And then you have that discipline.
And then eventually when before you were hardly doing anything, like Jason said, you mess up one thing that used to be like, oh my, if I could just get there, that'd be amazing.
But then once you get very disciplined and you do one small thing in a bad way, then you're like, oh, I'm going to get there.
Oh man, that was huge. That messed up.
But then when you think about the long scale over the whole swath of your life, you're like, whoa, I've actually come a long way that that's a big deal to me now that I messed that up.
So you need to look at the long run. It's always good to reflect on that.
Like a pastor said today, when you come to rest, you reflect on what you've done. You reflect on your work. You'd be thankful that you're able to get that work done.
That discipline that you had and you give thanks for that. And then you rest and then you literally like get ready to do it all over again. You just don't stop.
So a lot of men I think probably feel like it's monotonous. I'm doing the same stuff. I'm not seeing any fruit.
But my encouragement is the only time I've ever really seen fruit is when I did the same stuff over and over and over again.
That's actually where you do see fruit. So sometimes when you're like, I'm never going to see fruit from this, that's actually, you're actually on the right track.
You're actually getting close.
There's a lamentation that says, do not despise the day of small beginnings. You despise the day of small beginnings if you never even begin.
Exactly. Yeah. That's the perfect way to despise it.
So yeah, God commends not just sitting with your talent that was given to you and bearing it. God commends risking things. Yeah, maybe failing and receiving his discipline because he's a good and he's a kind father to you and continuing to walk on.
The Bible says the wise son makes a glad father. Wisdom doesn't come overnight. Wisdom is a long, slow process.
And that's why Solomon says, my son, find my words upon thine heart.
So we need to find God's word upon our heart if we really want to be disciplined and honor our father. Do you guys think that both of you would say that? Especially you Jason being older that if you just stay at the same stuff, you are doing it.
That's how you get stuff done.
You know what you got to do. You can see what looked from a secular standpoint.
I've seen it. You'll see guys that are, you just stay on the path.
You know, but they're doing it in vain.
But staying the course with whatever God has called you to do. Eventually, you know, maybe a millionaire. I think what you're looking at, but you're gaining, you're being productive.
You're growing that. You're not going to be promoted to like this great position after you've been there for six months or two a year.
It's longevity is ultimately what gets you into a better position in your career.
And that's, yeah. So I just think longevity in something and long suffering and even if it's hard and being faithful with it, they did a responsibilities is where success comes from.
It's consistency over the long haul.
And you'll see most men that have, you know, in the circles we like, these dudes that we respect, they didn't just, it just didn't happen overnight. When you hear the story of Doug Wilson and all the stuff that's, you know, happened at Moscow from Jim Wilson as the fountainhead in a sense. It's like that's literally been like just 80 years of faithfulness.
It doesn't just like happen. It's like, oh, how did they get there? It's like, oh man, they're just been, you know, they just did this all.
No, it was like literally 80 years of just like doing the exact same thing.
You know what I mean? So I just think we need to think like that more. It's not just going to happen overnight.
Think like Abraham.
You look to the stars. I guess the God of the stars.
It's beautiful.
Okay. Well, I think that's the main point. Any last huge closing thought that could wrap it up.
I think there's some really practical things that we all three can continue to do.
And hopefully that was encouraging to you guys. Think about the long term.
And if you're going to be curious about the world, which we ought to be, then make sure that you're doing it in a disciplined manner.
You shouldn't be curious about sin. Obviously you shouldn't be curious about unfruitful things.
You ought to be disciplined in the things that you're curious about that are, that are actually helpful to the world in line with what God's law word says is permissible.
And you just stick at that for a long, long time and be disciplined. Apologies on the abrupt ending there and not getting the clothes out the way I usually do.
The audio recorder I was using ran out of battery. So that's why it ended that way.
But this is the quasi ending I'm going to record after the fact.
So go check out the website for the King podcast.com.
And you can always reach out to me at for the King podcast at gmail.com and go check out Will's art at reflected works.com. That's reflected works.com. You can commission art from him or buy some of his prints. I highly recommend you go and extend the borders of the kingdom through God glorifying art. So thanks for Will for running an ad and partnering with us, brother, in the gospel effort.
And I always end with the doxology in first Timothy one 17 to the king of the ages of mortal and visibility. Only God be honored and glory forever and ever. Amen.
Solely day. Thank you. And.

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Knight & Rose Show
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Wintery Knight and Desert Rose welcome Heritage Foundation policy expert Dr. Jay Richards to discuss policy and culture. Jay explains how economic fre
Licona vs. Shapiro: Is Belief in the Resurrection Justified?
Licona vs. Shapiro: Is Belief in the Resurrection Justified?
Risen Jesus
April 30, 2025
In this episode, Dr. Mike Licona and Dr. Lawrence Shapiro debate the justifiability of believing Jesus was raised from the dead. Dr. Shapiro appeals t
Bible Study: Choices and Character in James, Part 1
Bible Study: Choices and Character in James, Part 1
Knight & Rose Show
June 21, 2025
Wintery Knight and Desert Rose explore chapters 1 and 2 of the Book of James. They discuss the book's author, James, the brother of Jesus, and his mar