Marvel and DC's War on God: Doctor Strange, Aleister Crowley, and the Multiverse of Satanism with Pastor Joe Schimmel

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Marvel and DC's War on God: Doctor Strange, Aleister Crowley, and the Multiverse of Satanism with Pastor Joe Schimmel

September 21, 2022

Many are unaware of the true history of one of today’s most popular Marvel characters, Doctor Strange. What is the connection to Satanist Aleister Crowley, Satanism, the ancient heresy of Gnosticism and Doctor Strange? To truly understand the spiritual foundation of Marvel cosmology, one must first understand the influence behind many of the comic book writers. I hope you enjoy my second discussion with Pastor Joe Schimmel from GoodFight Ministries about the deceitfulness of Marvel and DC comics. This episode highlights the second part of their 7-part series on Marvel and DC's War on God. We hone in on Satanism and Aleister Crowley. Please visit the links below to watch the film!

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Marvel & DC’s War on God is a 7-Part series developed by Pastor Joe Schimmel and Good Fight Ministries. After studying and researching the movies, the comic books, as well as the writers behind these stories, it became apparent that there was a spiritual component influencing these stories that is anti-God.

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Transcript

Hey everyone, I wanted to do a real quick disclaimer before we get into this episode. This conversation with my guests can get a little graphic. We go into detail about some aspects of Satanism that are pretty alarming and disturbing to listen to.

So if you have any young ones, any kiddos around that you are worried about them hearing some of these things, then I would advise you to listen to this one by yourself. Thanks so much for listening guys. Enjoy the episode.

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(music) Hello friends. Welcome to the For the King podcast where we proclaim the edicts of the king, namely and chiefly that Yahweh reigns. Today I am joined with pastor Joe Schimel and we are going to be talking about the second part to Marvel and DC's War on God, Dr. Strange, Aleister Crowley, and the multiverse of Satanism.

So Joe, thanks for joining me today. Great to be on with you bro. Cool.

So yeah, I had had you on a few months ago and we had talked about the first part. You guys have been hard at work and part two is out now and this one, you know, my wife and I have watched it. We noticed obviously that you're honing in on Satanism more specifically and how that's kind of undergirding a lot of the comics.

So I kind of just wanted to give you the floor and could you really set the stage of what this film is doing with specifically Aleister Crowley connecting that to Dr. Strange. What's going on with that? Yeah, the Bible talks about a phenomena in the last days where, you know, Jesus said, you know, the love of many would grow cold and molasses would increase. Paul said terrible times would come and difficult times would come and we'd be lovers of self and so forth and you also get this this renaissance or this resurrection of occult powers in the end times and we see that in Revelation where you see the vices that the people won't repent of in Revelation 9 and Revelation 21 includes sorcery, a magic and when Paul says terrible times will come he says like Janice and Jamboree's who withstood Moses and they did it with, you know, magical powers and so forth.

So we see the end times are supposed and of course antichrist that says will come with all power and signs and line wonders and all the seedleness of unrighteousness and that perished. So right now what we're seeing in popular media is just a full-blown assault on the kids minds with regard to occultism. You know, many Christians are very aware that sexual perversion is running rapid today.

Yeah. In fact many there was an uproar as you know Rocky with regard to what happened in Florida with Disney World and the whole, you know, sexual revolution. Being pro-medic promoted through Disney, one in the five, six, seven year olds getting really upset with DeSantis because they want, Disney Corp got involved in the political fight saying they need to be able to hear about getting sex changes at age and one of the animators came out as you know and she said, "Hey, you know, you know, I'm putting queerness everywhere in Disney and nobody's trying to stop me." What people aren't realizing, well a lot of Christians aren't realizing is they're doing the same thing with the occult, you know, through superhero movies like Doctor Strange and so forth and there's a new, I don't know if you saw the little demons, the new FX which is owned by Disney.

Yeah, it's horrendous. It's just horrific and, you know, the mother has sex with Satan and they birth the antichrist. It's a cartoon.

Yeah, but the main character is a little girl. Of course, they say, "Oh, it's more for adults," but you know, I just, we just got a pro request from someone whose kid watched something like that that was incredibly horrified and their kids got all messed up but all kinds of kids are watching this and what's interesting just as the Disney animators said, "I'm putting queerness everywhere and no one's trying to stop me," in an interview with the cast just because this is so relevant to what's going on, it just happened and irrelevant for those who did the voices, you know, Danny DeVito does Satan and his daughter does the antichrist, the mother of the antichrist who's a witch and uses upside-down pentagrams and all the stuff. Yeah.

She's asked about, "Isn't it complicated to play the antichrist's mother in an interview?" And she forgets the question because, and she has to say, "What was the question?" Because she wants to say what's most on her heart and she said what she loves about it is that they're able to promote paganism and make it popular. Well, their paganism is full-blown, you know, Satanism and using satanic powers and they're after our children. So, Christian's parents have to keep in mind why the superhero movies are so dangerous and we need to be discerning, I believe, is because many Christian parents put their hands down because they're used to the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man from when they were a kid.

Not that the comics back then where there was some subterfuge going on then which we exposed and they think, "Oh, it's pretty safe," but they don't realize what we're dealing with is the minds of the people that are writing these stories and drawing the kids in which have very much a very similar viewpoint in regard to what's going on as the so-called, you know, mother of the antichrist in Little Demon which just told, I mean, even the trailer they have upside-down crosses, it's just a full-blown glorification of Satan. So, what we're showing here is that this ended up being the top movie from Disney and Marvel which is owned by Disney in after just Spider-Man in the in the Covid era. So, the last few years it became the second movie only to Spider-Man and by the way, Marvel has the most popular music genre in the world right now.

It's influenced a bunch of children and a promotion of the occult is rife and just pure Satanism through Dr. Strange and the multiverse of madness and hence we call it Dr. Strange and the multiverse of Satanism because we understand and we know that Dr. Strange is basically a representation of Satan as L.S. O'Crowley. Yeah, you guys expose that all very easy to understand after watching your guys' documentary that that's exactly what they were doing when you show the progression between Dr. Droome all the way to Dr. Strange. This character is extremely Satanistic in what he's doing the way he's representing himself.

So, you had already kind of brought up how this is impacting children. Obviously, God says in Ephesians 5, "Raise up your children in the fear and admonition of the Lord." So, we see in the Christian faith, okay, hey, with what we're gonna do with our kids is we're gonna raise them to know Yahweh, to know God, to worship Him. So, why is Satan so... He's using the same tactic there, obviously.

He understands the power of the next generation. Why is he so... When Alistair Crowley is getting this information from Satan about how you're to be doing rituals with trying to make a moon baby, you guys brought that out. It's so much of the corruption is geared towards children.

Why is Satan so honed in on that? Why is Marvel Comics geared towards kids? Why does he love innocent people being duped? You guys brought up some great texts. I just kind of want to let you run with that a little bit. Yeah, no, that's a great question.

It's something I'm glad you've asked because you're concerned and praise God you are for the audience and the families and they're going after their children and we need to be very aware of this. I believe one of the head Nazis under Hitler talked about how they're gonna go after the youth. So, Lester Crowley himself also talked about how the family was public enemy number one.

Marx as well as very anti-family and the objective is to go after the children. Of course, that's why Satan wants the school system, which he has very much has because he can indoctrinate doesn't want parents stepping in. The thing is is that children are very easy to deceive.

They're very easy to mold and Satan knows that and he wants the future and those who have the youth have the future as they say. He knows that their discerning faculties are not yet fully developed and that's why Satan went after the youth in the 1960s with the 60s hippie movement revolution, which was a counterculture then, but it's not mainstream and you have men like Harry Hay who was a member of Satan, a Lester Crowley's organization, the OTO, actually was a keyboard player. He's called the oldest hippie and that's because he was focusing on, he's called the hippie, but he was, why is he an oldest hippie? Because he's an old guy that's the way too old to be hippie, but he's hanging out with the young people and he was homosexual.

He's considered the father of the modern day gay movement when he launched his deal and he's introducing it to young people. In fact, we show placard of him marching with NAMBLA, North American Manboy Love Association, totally perverse. So they go after the young people because they know that they can mold them and they can control the future because they know the young people, they take their ideologies and they shove them down their throat and then later those young people basically, I mean there's a lot of other reasons regarding homosexuality and so forth.

The other homosexuals can't have babies, they can't read, so they have to propagate and indoctrinate. So Satan loves to use comic heroes because the kids can relate to him and then he just shows his messages in there. Maybe it's probably good for your audience to know when we're talking about Dr. Strange in that video.

Dr. Strange, Lester Crowley in the Multiverse of Satanism in our exposé, as you said, so they understand what you'd mentioned was we literally show that the first incarnation of Dr. Strange was known as Dr. Druim, then Dr. Truin, then he finally became Dr. Strange, all the same origin story that has changed his look and changed his name after time. But we show as you saw, Dr. Druim and Lester Crowley side by side, we show you that they actually made him almost look exactly the same and then they changed him to Dr. Strange to look like Dr. Strange, but he's the same guy and we show that Dr. Strange was born in England, not the one that they made the movie after, they kind of changed his origin story a little bit where he's born in the United States, but the Dr. Strange from the comics like Dr. Druim, both born in England, both synthesized Eastern and Western mysticism, both used black magic, both opened themselves up. Just like the parallels between him and Crowley are the same, then you show the parallels between him and Dr. Strange as in Crowley, I mean we show I think like 15 to 20, probably about 20 different parallels and I'll just mention a few from everything from you know, synthesizing the magic using dark powers, contacting satanic forces, we show Dr. Strange has sold his soul so many times that you know they don't want it, the demons and Satan doesn't want to get her packed with them because he doesn't have any soul left to sell, we show that they both use the eye in the triangle, called the eye of Agamado, Dr. Strange.

Aleister Crowley, he called blasphemously his place where he did his magic called the Sanctum Sanctorum, which is Latin for Holy of Holies and that's exactly the place where guess what? Dr. Strange practices magic and as you know from watching the video, we even play audio tape of Steven Engelhardt who was a member of Crowley's OTO or in practitioner of his magic, admitting that he was in touch with McMurdie, the leader of Crowley's OTO here in the United States who Crowley discipled and he was discipled by him and he admits he was the one that revamped in the 70s and 80s, DC, he did the Jack Nicholson, I mean Batman the Jack Nicholson played and he also redid or did most of the major characters more than anybody else in the 1970s and some of the 80s for Marvel including Dr. Strange and he admits in that interview we've seen the audio, he goes yeah, the interviewer is like do what thou wilt shall be the whole laws, how he started off as so, Cody Crowley, you know, he's praising Engelhardt for bringing Crowley's teachings in the mainstream. Yeah, that blows my mind looking at you guys, get these interviews of these writers and people in his OTO that were writers for Marvel, connected to Marvel and then literally saying do what thou wilt and literally talking about Crowley's teachings and owning it. It really does blow my mind, you know, and you guys talk about in this film how as you guys have been sounding this alarm we want Christians to be prepared for this and to stop letting this wickedness, you even challenge the people in the film should we be watching this, should we be putting this into our home, I think that's a great challenge for Christian listeners and we, my wife was telling me that some of her friends went and saw that newer Dr. Strange and it's just extremely demonic and you guys show all these different youtubers that were saying wow how did they get away with some of this, you know, and get the movie reviewers, movie reviewers that are pretty well accepted saying exactly that hey this was demonic but they're not saying it's bad they're saying but it's great, you know.

Yeah, I know. So here's a question I've been mulling over a little bit, this is my own personal thoughts. We have so many people that are starting to persecute, we see Christian persecution continuing to rise, right? People do not like Christians in our society, we see, you know, atheism and Satanism on the rise but it just blows my mind that what we're proclaiming is the gospel of Jesus Christ, the peace, you finish beautifully with the gospel presentation at the end of this film and what they're promoting is abortion, destroying the young, sexual deviancy, let's know families, let's just do whatever we want, do what thou wilt, right? And it just destroys people's lives and it just it very much does sadden my heart that people, you have to have a taste for beauty and our society does not have a taste for beauty and love anymore and in righteousness and what's good and true and beautiful, we don't have a taste for that anymore and you guys are really sounding the alarm on this that this is infiltrating people's hearts through things like film.

This Satanism is very, it's very in your face now and I just can't believe that there are a wick of books that describe like an even Crowley's books describe how to conduct a human sacrifice. These are sold at Barnes and Nobles. This is, these are books you can go get, yet they want the Word of God out, you're not allowed to sell these books here, you're not allowed the good Christian theology but you're allowed to sell how books that tell you how to perform a child sacrifice.

I mean what are your thoughts on that? Like how did we, you know, where are we at with that and is it, it's all these different culture mediums that are producing this. I mean it's just something I've been mulling over curious your thoughts. Yeah, no and I think that's the way, especially the way you present that is very a stark contrast that shows the way you put it out obviously backwards.

Yeah, it is, you know, and I think it pertains to some of the junk that's in the church too that pass off as Christianity that you and I would agree is fluff and you know, you know, is that's a similar principle though and Paul says, you know, know this, you know, when he says that time will come when they won't endure sound doctrine but after them desires, they'll keep themselves teachers who will tickle the ears and tell them what they want to hear and they'll be turned away from the truth to error. So it's not just those propagating it, Paul says as far as false teaching goes, but it's those who want to hear, hey I can just name and claim and get whatever I want because God wants me, you know, to be a little God which is what they teach and so forth and in the world, you know, these people, the lost people which, you know, we were before we knew Christ, they have fallen sinful natures and when you're born again, you receive a new nature so then you have this battle, you have to count the old man dead and live for Jesus. Well, the world doesn't have a new nature so they've got that fallen Adamic nature and at least the world in the past because they still have a conscience, you know, and they would still try to, you know, at least put on a mask, hey I want to do what's right, I know the difference between right and wrong and they try to do it their own strength but at least they, you know, had some semblance of morality.

Now today, there's all about embracing darkness and making darkness cool and so forth and it's interesting, you know, question because in the scriptures, you know, it says in the last days when the Atticrace comes on the scene that they'll be judged because they refuse to love the truth and they love darkness, you know, Jesus said the reason people would reject him in John 3 after he said, "For God so loved the world that he gave only the Son that whoever believed and shot perished but have eternal life and and then that he ascended the Son of the world, condemned the world with the world through which he be saved," you think, "Oh wow, there's the glorious good news, who could reject it?" But then after that, he talked about those who would love darkness more than light and hate the light with us and refuse to come light because their deeds are evil. So I think a lot of people, they love darkness and they're given the strong delusions that's the second lesson is too because they refuse to love the truth and had pleasure and wickedness. So we do have the masses do have a pleasure and wickedness and, you know, our job of course to present the gospel to them and we see that there'll be a great multitude, I praise God, Revelation, I mean it does show God's judgments coming but it mentions how there'll be a great multitude that no man can number from every nation, kindred, people and tongue that no one can number that will know Christ at the end.

So and that's, you know, God's plan marches forward and what we have to do is be faithful, you know, to be true to him and then true to the gospel and share it. But yeah, I do believe you have this, they talked about how they're called good evil and evil good. They put darkness for light and light for darkness and that's I think that's what was happening in Isaiah's day but Peter says even as the false prophets, you know, work their deal in those days, there'll be false teachers who will do the same in our days which is happening now and they're putting darkness for good for evil and evil for good and so they're calling the Bible evil, you know, and morality evil like you're saying but they're saying hey you can have books that promote child sacrifice and so forth like Alesha Crowley's, you know, at big bookstores so I see what you're saying and it's the human condition but as Jesus said it would get darker and darker before, you know, Christ came back but at the same time which is interesting Daniel also says that, you know, those who are wise, you know, will have insight and lead many to righteousness and they'll shine like stars forever so and they'll go to and fro and knowledge will increase and a lot of times, you know, when I was a young Christian, you know, I always heard to and fro means people will travel more and knowledge will increase, you know, the computer age and so forth and there's probably that application to that as a possibility but that term to and fro that Daniel talks about in gaining insight and so forth in that context, that term to and fro has to do with looking for truth in the Old Testament, use other places and knowledge will increase.

I think, you know, brothers and sisters, you know, like us and others who are in the scripture, we're seeing, we're discerning what's going on and we're to use that knowledge to lead many to righteousness and that's why Paul said Rocky and Ephesians 5.11, you know, have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness but rather expose them and many people through the years, it's like, you know, why do you feel led to expose this stuff and I say, well, you know, people are knee deep in it. Yeah. So many Christians are in this stuff.

It's just like a doctor, why would he expose cancer through an MRI or what have you? It's like, it's hard to do but you got a honest doctor say, look what you have. Well, the body of Christ is riddled with, you know, cancer from wicked entertainment and when we show this to people, you know, it says, not only do I have fellowship with that fruitful needs of darkness but expose it. That's just that the light of Christ shone on you and you know, wake up from the dead.

So it's a matter of turning the lights on. Here's what God's word says. Here's the light of God's word and we've seen, you know, I mean, every day we get praise reports, praise God.

I was in this stuff and I got saved. I turned to Jesus or praise God. I was all of this stuff.

I didn't realize how wicked it was but it was a stragglehold of my family and my kids and we repudiated it and we get testimonies all the time. So and by the way, some will say, well, we're just, we're not supposed to, you know, judge those things outside the church. It's like, really? What does that mean? Of course, we're not supposed to do what Paul says not to do with regard to non-believers and when a non-believer is in the church and he's having relations with his father's wife that says that's in that context to excommunicate him.

You know, we don't physically take a believer and move them around but as far as judging what's Jesus said, judge righteous judgment and the book of Revelation is a full-blown expose by the Apostle John through Jesus exposing the darkness of the world, you know, and showing how it's judged by God. So it's interesting, in Ephesians 5, Rocky, when it says to expose, have no fellowship with through the steeds of darkness, rather expose them. When you back up a few verses at the context in verse 7 and 8 is Christians don't be partakers with the children of disobedience who are the children of wrath and their wicked deeds.

Then it goes in, then after that he says expose fruitless deeds of darkness. So the context is we're supposed to as Christians be exposing what many Christians don't realize is darkness. So those Christians who are being drawn into it can be set free and also so non-believers can be set free.

So I think it's imperative kind of rounding out what you said earlier too about, you know, how they go after the kids. Well, you know, Christians are, you know, Satan knows something a lot of Christians need to know better and that's the children's formative years are when they're young and he goes out with all his might and how much more should we as parents and Christian leaders be encouraging them in the truth, you know. Amen, yeah.

Yeah, and I think what's cool about this moment for the church, like what you guys are doing, very bright light shined in darkness with what you guys are reporting on. That's the beauty of light, it shines so much more brighter in the more darkness there is, the brighter the light will shine. So it gives us a great opportunity as the church to again expose these things through the light of Christ.

Let the light of Christ shine on you awake from the dead, wake up. And my buddy had a good analogy of, you know, like in Lord of the Rings when Gollum gets light shine on him when he's in the cave for a long time and he's like, "Ah, like I hate it," you know, and then he starts fighting and stuff. Like that's what the culture is gonna do when you shine light on it and it's gonna blind them because they've been in darkness for so long and they're gonna want to fight back and, you know, it's gonna be a struggle, you know.

But we have God's Word which is obviously has conquered many nations. So, yeah, God's Word is great. So, another thing I wanted to hit on here, just the whole, you brought up a great point in the film that I'd never really captured before biblically of how, so we have these two kingdoms, kingdom of light, kingdom of darkness, and you guys have brought up how Crowley Satanism, his teachings have, we've already talked about it, we've already hinted so much sexual deviance, these weird odd sexual things, orgies and having sex with minors and just really odd things that humans, even bestiality, just the things the Bible says, no.

And you had raised a concern of, you know, why is Satan doing this? Well, when God creates this in his image, he makes us male and female. So, our sexuality is inextricably tied to our being made in God's image. And you had made this claim that Satan is trying to make his followers and his image through the complete antithesis of sexuality.

So, why is this so instrumental to, you know, Satan's movement in our nation and it's really not even, like, the abortion thing and the sexual, it's really not even atheism, it's really this Satanistic ideology that's taking hold, you know. So, I don't know, you kind of see what I'm getting at here, what are your thoughts on it from the film? Because you guys bring that up and I thought it was fascinating. Yeah, it's really bizarre, but you know, and it's interesting too, just because you mentioned at the end there was in Satanism, you know, that the world's becoming more pagan than atheists.

Yes, exactly. What's really interesting is a lot of the atheists have no, don't have a hard time at all embracing paganism and Satanism. They do it as Satanists.

In fact, Anton Lavey presented his form of Satanism as the church, as the church of Satan, authored the Satanic Bible. He said, "Well, you know, we don't believe in God, you know. We don't really believe in a personal devil." He probably mentioned a personal devil.

And that came out later, you know, people that were in his group, including Susan Atkins, who was convicted of killing nine of the people in Manson murders, who I interviewed with my wife twice, who went to the prison and interviewed her. She said, "Oh no, he was behind closed doors. We knew who we were worshiping.

We were truly worshiping Satan." But to make it popular among the youth on college campuses, it was more popular than the Bible, it was presented as atheistic. So it could be kind of a, well, we can be atheists and so forth. But what's interesting, when you go and read the book of Revelation, the end times scenario we see is not a bunch of atheists.

We see people like the Antichrist and the false prophet, those followed him rarely at God in heaven. So by that time, especially because judgments will come so severely, they'll know exactly what they're dealing with, that they'll be dealing with the one true God, but they'll harden their hearts like Pharaoh did against him. So it's interesting though, because of the subversion sexually, is I personally believe that Satan hates the idea of, you know, he was unredeemable, you know, God chose not to, I mean, he sinned with a high hand in rebellion among the holy angels, knew exactly what he was doing, and just sold out to rebellion.

And he hates, and I believe the demons hate too, a human race because of our opportunity for redemption through faith in Christ. And the picture of Christ and his eternal bride, this divine romance, is the husband and the wife relationship. As you know, Rocky very well is, you know, husbands are called to love their wives as Christ on the church and sacrifice himself for the church.

And wives are called to respect their husbands and follow their leadership as the church is to be subject to Christ. And so we have these millions of different human relationships that claim to be Christian, which are pictures of Christ and his bride all over, they're Christian marriages. So of course, Satan is going to want to attack Christian marriages, and he's going to want to popularize, you know, perverse sex and draw people away from that picture, which he does, you know, that's again why Crowley said that family, he said, you know, that the marital institution, he said is deplorable, you know, that family's public enemy number one.

So he wants to destroy marriage, first and foremost, he wants to destroy us because we're created in God's image, so he wants to abuse our sexuality or get us to abuse our sexuality, but then he wants to destroy that picture of redemption through Christ and his bride. Yeah. Because after Paul talks about those, and then he says, you know, a man will leave his father, mother, and cleave to his wife.

At the end of that portion there in verses 31 and 32 of Ephesians 5, he says, "But I'm speaking in reference to Christ and the church." He goes, "This is a mago-mysterion in the Greek, a great mystery." So this great mystery that's so beautiful, and the angels, he says in Ephesians, long to look into this, but then we're called to, you know, after that, you know, the marriage relationship, as you mentioned, the children relationship with parents too, in Ephesians 6, and then husband-wife relationships after they were talked about. Then he says, you know, "Don't be drunk with wine, but be filled with the Holy Spirit." Yeah. So we can only fulfill our roles by being filled with the Holy Spirit, being, letting the Word of Christ to all of us richly, those things, and this entertainment takes us away from all that.

And I'm not against all entertainment, but I'm against entertainment that promotes sexual perversion, that promotes occult powers, and glorifies them, and so forth. And it's interesting because this has been happening for a lot of time. It's just Satan's able to push the envelope farther than he ever has, being able to at this point in our country.

Yeah. Yeah, those are great points. I appreciate that.

So another, so I thought I'm having with the film, you guys, so I want this, the backdrop of this question to be the Scarlet Witch thing. So I kind of want to transition there to what you guys had revealed about Scarlet Witch, but really a lot of that comes from a Christian actually knowing God's Word well enough to, like, to be, they're already, you know, brainwashed. They're already preconditioned to when they see the Scarlet Witch, they say, "Hora Babylon," right? They just know, "Oh, that's what they're mocking.

That's what they're mocking." So like, how much of this, do you think part of this problem is also an indictment on the church, just that we don't know God's Word well enough to even pick up on references that pagan Satanistic writers are using biblical symbols to mock God in front of Christians' faces, but the Christians don't know God's Word well enough to even know they're being mocked when the Scarlet Witch comes on screen with her chaotic magic and she's representing the "War of Babylon" and triumphing over, right, the Gnostic conversion, triumphing over the hero, the true hero. So I kind of see the question, you see what I'm getting at there? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so what, you know, what are your thoughts on that and can you kind of hint at the Scarlet Witch thing for people that so they would obviously want to go watch the film? Yeah, so yeah.

Yeah, so in our expose we show that Alistair Crowley, you know, he did a play on the "Hora Babylon" scarlet. He talked about in his book called "The Book of the Law" bringing forth the Antichrist through a sexual union through creating a moonchild, which this ruler would rule the world and through sex magic would be, you know, and not that he has control over that ultimately. God will choose who he allows to be, the Antichrist, but in however this plays out with Satan and his involvement, kind of "Grows Mary's Baby", you know, and I had to Hallelujah.

They had a church Satan was a consultant for that movie by Polanski, so forth and there's some crazy things that happened with that whole situation, but the idea of bringing forth a moonchild. So the idea was having a scarlet woman taking that imagery from the Bible of the "Hora Babylon" and just as the church is the bride of Christ, the "Hora Babylon" is Satan's bride collectively speaking of just wicked people in the end times, but they personify it in Crowleyism to having sex with a woman to have a moonchild, which would hopefully be the Antichrist. Hence why you see L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology, working with Jack Parsons, the co-founder of Jet Propulsion Laboratory of NASA, working together doing Crowley's magic.

Parsons is in touch with Aleister Crowley in Pasadena and Parsons is trying to bring forth his own moonchild and so forth and doing the magic and L. Ron Hubbard, you know, leaving with his girl at one point and there's all kinds of crazy stuff happening. We show a lot of that in our deal, our expose, even admissions of Satanism and so forth from, you know, Hubbard's son and his association with Crowley from Hubbard himself. So what's interesting about this is we're all trying to produce this Antichrist figure and I think a lot of it, I think Satan does laugh, Rocky, and I'm not sure he's capable of actually laughing, but I mean that metaphorically.

Yeah, it's a joke to many Satanists that Satanists oftentimes know what's going on more than Christians. Certainly Satanists that are in the entertainment world that have a lot of Christian fans and so forth that know they're serving the evil one and talk about using dark forces. I'm sure they mock their Christian fans who think that they're upright and celebrate their celebrity, but I think there's also something going on because Crowley was raised by a Christian.

His dad was, as he portrays him as an evangelist, actually a good man of the Plymouth Brother movement and Crowley said he was just more attracted to Satan and the dragon than he was to Christ and the Lamb and he wanted to get in touch with Satan and personally become his chief of staff. So Crowley himself was actually schooled in the scriptures. Even like Karl Marx, he wrote poetry glorifying Christ when he was a teenager.

Both these guys were both very, very wealthy, had too much time on their hands and both gravitated into Satanism and Crowley's Satanism, he's a lot of biblical references and he's very much more aware of scripture than the average Christian and the thing is is that if you don't know scripture and the enemy does, he can twist it. In fact Satan, as you know, twisted scripture into trying to attempt Jesus. He showed the kings of the world in a moment's time, said bow down and worship me on all these shall be yours and Satan said get behind or Jesus said get behind me saying that is written thou shall worship the Lord thy God and serve him only.

But another thing Satan did was try to encourage him to jump from the pinnacle of the temple and said and Satan says it is written, you know, that he shall give his angels charge over the lest thy dash thy foot against the stone. But Jesus, because he's the word of God, made flesh and also he quotes three different parts of Deuteronomy. Out of all the scriptures Jesus could have quoted, it's all this several chapters, I mean the number of chapters apart, maybe six, seven or eight chapters apart.

It was almost as though he was meditating on Deuteronomy. Yeah. For this happened in that the portion of scripture he was reading.

Can't know for sure but I find it fascinating and he says, you know, to Satan, it is written thou shall not tempt the Lord thy God and he's rebuked Satan. But what happens is because, so Satan will use biblical truth and twist it to to subvert us but the Bible says, you know, Jesus whips out the scripture which is what Paul says worded you to put on the whole armor of God. Which is really interesting, Rocky, that you mentioned this way because it's such an instructive question really that should in a way bring at least a gentle shame upon us as Christians and probably a loud rebuke for a lot of us as well.

That we need to be in the Word, man, because Paul said when you put on the whole armor of God to take up the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God, right? And we're supposed to put on the armor of God so we can withstand, you know, the evil one and stand in the evil day and what's happening right now is most Christians will watch the Doctor Strange movie and some of them will have a gut check and heart check saying, wow, there's a lot of occultism in there. I don't know if God really wants me to watch that. In fact, that's been the reaction of some.

But others will try to, you know, glorify it and say, oh, there's redeeming things in it and so forth not realizing or not wanting to acknowledge maybe it's between them and God ultimately where they're at. But that there is a promotion, I don't think most of them have a clue that the scarlet witch is basically made an image of Crowley's scarlet woman as he called her, you know. Yeah, yeah, it's tough.

I mean, yeah, the exhortation for all of you listening, you know, let's know God's Word well enough that Satan cannot twist God's Word, even from a Christian false teacher, if a Christian false teacher would twist it or if we see it in pop culture when they want to malign Christ's name in a subtle way. Eventually they'll do it like that. The movie or the show on AMC preacher that you guys exposed in the first part, right? They're gonna get more explicit and defaming the name of Christ but there are more shifty ways that he's kind of, he's a snake so, you know, that's the way he likes to do things.

So the last question I wanted to hit on, this, I'm loving what you guys are doing and this is really reminding me that secular atheism is not, we fight against, like in Ephesians 6 there, we fight against principalities and rulers and thrones. We don't battle against flesh and blood. We don't battle against secular atheism.

We do battle against Satan, against the kingdom of darkness. That's so important to know, right? Yeah, exactly. So after all your, after all your research as you go deeper into this Satanism that's in pop culture, you know, what's more alarming for the church, secular atheism or Satanism, you know.

So pretty, pretty obvious question for us but I just want to drive this home because so many Christians go and try to debate atheists on these big huge, you know, these big debates, right? And it's like these aren't really, it's a distraction really. Yeah, yeah and I understand, you know, to me it's not an either/or as far as what we fight and I know you believe that too, that it's great you have Christian apologists up out there that are battling against the atheist. Yeah, but at the same time what you're saying, which I think is such a salient and important point, which is your main, which is your point, is that there's a, that's not the main battle.

I mean we're supposed to cast down imaginations, plural, any hyping that exalts itself against God. So we definitely want to come against atheism, show evidences for God but the main battle right now for culture is paganism against Christianity and as you said, that's what I like the way you put it, you know. We're not battling against atheism but against principles and powers.

Now Satan's the father of lies, he uses a lot of different lies and he that says there's no God, you know, the Bible says that's an abomination, you know. So atheism is one thing that Satan uses but it's not the main thing he's using. Exactly, exactly.

Because you're right, the comics and the superheroes and so forth, they're not all promoting atheism, they're promoting worshiping and looking to magic powers and different gods. Yeah. And that's, and I'm glad you see that bro, because it's basically the resurrection of the demon gods is what we're seeing.

Yeah. And that's why you see kind of I alluded to that earlier when I talked about the book of Revelation. Exactly.

People are at the end that, you know, God is real because it becomes very obvious. Yeah. But they're also, they want that immediate power and you don't have to repent and get right with God and to have a cold power, all you have to do is want to worship yourself even, you don't have to believe in Satan, paganism but ultimately that's where it leads.

And even when it says in Revelation chapter 13, it says they worship the dragon who gave his power to the beast. So people are worshiping these false gods. Paul talked about it, we read about Deuteronomy and the Psalms as well and at first Corinthians 10, around 20 and 21 where Paul says, you know, the gods, the nations are demons, the Bible says, and Paul says that the things that the Gentiles sacrifice, they don't sacrifice, you know, they sacrifice the demons.

But they're not aware of that and that's our concern is about professing Christians and a lot of genuine Christians are going to these movies and they don't realize that they're sitting at the table of demons. Exactly. Yep.

And one thing I've noticed from that film and I mean, I've already started to know this before I watched your guys's film but it's even more evident now. The people at the top aren't atheist. None of them, none of the leaders of, you have so many celebrities that you guys expose on this film that have so much Satanistic like symbols to their album covers and the things they're doing and you show a film of this actress that went to some island with a bunch of other celebrities to do ayahuasca and to like have these spiritual experiences.

None of these people, like to be honest, your low level peon fool, you know, your idiot of the day is the atheist, right? He thinks evolution, he thinks he's a monkey, he thinks he came from a monkey, he thinks he evolved from pond scum. That's really what he thinks about his world. He's the low-level peon that Satan is like, you're just, you're my dumb idiot, you're my puppet to look like a fool, right? And you're just causing, you're like this chaotic element but the Satanist at the top like L Ron Hubbard, Tom Crue, all these guys, all these top people in our society that people, young people look to, they're all Satanists, they're not atheists.

There's a lot of atheist culture shifters, you know? So, I don't know, just another, just another thought I had. No, you're totally right, bro. Yeah, and it's, it's, if you guys want to see this so clearly, please watch this film because it's so well done, you get it from the horse's mouth, you guys are like literally like putting these interviews for the viewer to listen to these people out of the horse's mouth, worshiping Satan.

Yeah, it's undeniable. Yeah. What's going on there? Exactly.

When you see the video. Yeah, yeah, so any last words, brother? I think we can kind of wrap up here if there's... Yeah, no, I praise God, you know, thanks for having on again, Rocky. And it's really nice to be interviewed by somebody who gets it, you know? And I get that, that happens from time to time.

Other times, you know, you know, it moves the interview along well and you get right to the things that really, really need to be heard for the audience. So, I really appreciate that. And I just encourage your audience, yeah, check it out.

They go to goodfight.org and we've got part two is out as well. That's the one you're talking about. But part one is out also in a hard copy, but part two is out on digitally.

And we're using this, I mean, these would be great if you, in anybody or audience, they could, you know, get it and say, "Hey, have friends over." Say, "Hey, let's watch this." Because it will have such an impact. We're seeing, our videos are done in such a way to where we want to win the loss and we're seeing that happen and we've been seeing that happen for years. Beginning with our video, they sold their souls for rock and roll.

And then it's also meant to challenge the church and encourage the church to be sanctified and separate from these evils and live for the Lord who made us and died for us. There's all the glory, deserves our attention. Yeah.

Amen, brother. I really appreciate that. Hey, well, thanks for joining me today.

I usually end with 1 Timothy 1 17 to the King of the Ages, "Immortal, invisible, the only God, be honored and glory forever and ever. Amen. So, we day of glory.

Amen, brother. Okay. Amen.

Amen. Amen. Amen.

Amen.

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