Masculinity & Femininity Everywhere Else

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Masculinity & Femininity Everywhere Else

October 10, 2021

This Sunday we finish our series on Biblical Gender Roles. We have seen how gender roles apply in homes and churches, but to keep ourselves consistent with what scripture teaches, we must extend its application to the civil sphere and beyond as well. God has designed the world a certain way. Gods word, logic, reasoning, mathematics, etc. are all used in God's world. They help guide us and are used in every walk of life. Thus, is it no different for gender roles, they apply in all scenarios. Thanks for listening and enjoy!

Key Texts: Isaiah 3:12; Deuteronomy 22:5; Nahum 3:13

My guest joining me this week on the Sunday series is my brother Bryce. Bryce is getting his undergraduate degree in philosophy and hopes to get his MDiv. from a seminary after he completes his undergrad. He hopes to be a pastor shepherding Gods people one day.

Sources:

Garris, Z.M. (2020). Masculine Christianity. Reformation Zion Publishing, p. 50,250,264-265

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Transcript

(music) The point is, female rule destroys society. It's a judgment from God. And it's wrong.

It's evil. It's monstrous. It's unfitting.

It's diabolical. It's evil to its core.

(music) Don't think I will even ask you to make Jesus Lord of your life.

That's the most preposterous thing I could ever tell you to do. Jesus Christ is Lord of your life. Whether you serve him or not, whether you bless him, curse him, hate him, or love him, he is the Lord of your life because God has given him a name that is above every name so that the name of Jesus Christ every knee shall bow and tongue confess that he is Lord.

Some of you will bow out of the grace that has been given to you and others will bow because your kneecaps will be broken by the one who rules the nations with a rod of iron.

(music) But I will not apologize for this God of the Bible.

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Oh yeah. I was going to do a real quick recap of what we've been talking about. So we're in this series on biblical masculinity and femininity, biblical gender roles.

And the past few weeks we've just been slowly walking through that on Sundays. The first Sunday was defining biblical masculinity and femininity. And then we went about went to these gender roles in the home and then went to the gender roles in the church and then Bryce who did me last week.

So I just decided to do an analysis on first life feminism. But this week we are finishing off all three spheres of human experience. The last sphere that we're going to talk about of how the gender roles play out is in the civil sphere.

Which is just human society. Basically everything else that's not the home or the church. So your relationships at work, your relationships at the university, your relationship at your not for profit, whatever.

Wherever you're at, whatever interrelationships where it's coed, men and women are together. How do these gender roles play out in those instances as well? So that's what we're going to do today. We're going to talk about that.

So as we get into it, Bryce is going to read a real quick introduction about Jesus' kingship and then we're going to get into it. "Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come and from the seven spirits who are before his throne and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead and the ruler of kings on earth." Revelation 1 verses 4 through 5. Good. "Ruler of kings on earth." Okay, so we wanted to start there and honestly that will probably be the introduction to the podcast from now on because the whole point of this podcast is for the King Jesus.

And literally the cornerstone of this podcast, the cornerstone of our faith, the cornerstone of the church is Christ. And that's what this podcast is built on, the foundation of Christ and his word. And he is not just the ruler of, as you hear in the intro when Paul Washer is talking, he's not going to ask you.

It's foolish when somebody asks you, "Hey, accept Jesus as Lord." That's a foolish thing to say. Jesus Christ is the Lord of your life, whether you serve him or not, like Paul Washer lays out regardless. And that's what Revelation is talking about.

And that is also the reason why we're starting there right now is because that is exactly how this plays out in the civil realm. The point is Jesus Christ is the Lord over the civil sphere as well. Okay, so now that we've established that, let's get into some of the principles we're going to use to make a case that even in the civil sphere, women ought not to lead.

Women ought not to be in headship or a ruling position, an authoritative position over men in all co-ed involvements. Okay, so the first principle is the creation order. This is laid out in 1 Timothy 2, 11 through 14.

So if you want to go read that, that is where it's clearest, where it's most clearly seen. That's what I'm trying to say. In 1 Timothy 2, 11 through 14.

So can you read that real quick Bryce? Yes. That would be helpful. And then we're going to move into some of the things.

11 through 14 is what you said? Okay, so here's what it says. "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach her to exercise authority over a man.

Rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." Okay, so that's what we mean when we say the creation order, and that's not something we're pulling out of our butts.

Okay, that's something Paul uses often in the Scriptures. Okay, and that's not, this is what Scripture says. This is not Bryce and I having an opinion.

The creation order is what guides us in understanding how men and women work together and interact with each other. So this is what Zach Garris says in his book. It's on the chapter about the creation order, which is four and five, I believe, both of those chapters.

Okay, so on page 130 in Zach Garris' Masculine Christianity in the chapter "Hierarchy and Authority in the Creation Order," he has this list of basically argumentation about hierarchy in the creation order like the chapter is titled. So this is where he eventually ends up. He says, here's the first point.

"Adam was created first." So we see in Genesis 2.7 and then also in chapter 2.18-23 and 1 Timothy 2.13, like we just read, Adam was made first. So there's a priority there in terms of preeminence, if that makes sense, from who was made first, right? God was first. He was before all.

Therefore, Christ has preeminence, like we see in Colossians chapter 1. I forget the verses, but yeah. So in the second point that he wants to make, Adam had a protective role over Eve in the garden, Genesis 2.15. So he was tasked to, obviously, keep and protect the garden, keep the garden and tend to it. And the third point, Adam had a teaching role over Eve as the one who taught her God's law, Genesis 2.16-17 and 3.2-3. She is made after Adam and Adam is the one that is tasked to tell her exactly what God's law was.

Because the logic behind that is because Eve was not created. Adam was created and then God gave him the command and then God created Eve out of Adam. And this is all, somehow she knows the command.

This is assumed in the text that Adam taught her this. Exactly. Exactly.

Thanks, Bryce. Thanks so much for just your words there. Fourth point, Eve was created as a helper for Adam, Genesis 2.18, 1 Corinthians 11.9. Basically, God says that Adam searched throughout all the animals and he found no azer available to him, no helper.

So he makes a helper suitable for Adam fit for his purposes. Animals don't do the things that Adam needed, obviously, as a man. Fifth point, Adam named Eve, Genesis 2.23 and 3.20. This is important because naming is always associated with having authority over, if you can name something in the scriptures.

That means you have authority over it. Sixth point, God went to Adam first after he and Eve sinned, Genesis 3.9, even though Eve sinned first, 3.6. So he calls out to Adam in the garden and he is responsible for Eve's sin. That means he was the leader.

Seventh point, God rebuked Adam for listening to Eve, Genesis 3.17, insinuating that he should have led and not listened to her and submitted to her. Eighth point, God only told Adam he would die, yet Eve also died. Therefore, he was representing her, Genesis 3.19. God named humanity after Adam, Genesis 5.1-2. And then tenth point, Adam represented the human race in the garden.

Romans 5.12-21, 1 Corinthians 15.22 and 1 Corinthians 15.45-49. We see Adam being the federal head of humanity and we are all guilty because of his sin and have inherited sin from him. And the same way Christ represents us in our stead as the new Adam. Okay, these are all the points that he makes highlighting a lot of those points were taken from Genesis 2 before the fall.

And then some of those points are taken after the fall. That's a very important difference to highlight. And we also see 1 Timothy again, 1 Timothy 2, 11-14 talking about the creation order.

And the point is the creation order applies everywhere. So Christ is the king over the civil sphere as well. That's the point we're laboring.

And if this is just made into creation and part of creation is what? Humans making families, humans congregating in churches, and humans congregating in a society with a government presiding over them in the civil magistrate. So what's the point there? The creation order applies to every single one of those spheres because it's not, these gender roles aren't inherent in the spheres, but they're inherent in creation and they play out in the spheres. Hopefully you can see that distinction there.

Okay, first text that highlights some of the foolishness of women rulers, Isaiah 3.12. And this is obviously going to be hard for egalitarians and feminists to hear, but this is a very important text because this is what God thinks about women rulers. So in Isaiah 3.12, we see, "My people, infants are their oppressors and women rule over them. O my people, your guides mislead you and they have swallowed up the course of your paths.

Women rule over them. They swallow you up and they mislead you." What's being articulated here? These women that are ruling over them, and like Bryce had talked about last episode, that's most likely not even talking about ruling over them in the church or in the priesthood or whatever. That's talking about like women being governors, women being queens, whatever.

Elders, whatnot. Elders, rulers over a town, judges. That is, God is indicting Israel because they have set women over them and weak men that are posing as infants.

Right? That's the point. And here's the basic implication of that. Think about our country right now.

We have a woman vice president, and I heard this also from John MacArthur. He put it this way. He read that text and he said, "We have a woman vice president and we have a child for a president." Right? Joe Biden, that's what the text is really getting at.

He's not saying there's legit an infant ruling. It's the infantile ways of thinking. Joe Biden is just a flat out idiot.

He's committing treason by leaving thousands of our troops behind, leaving upon millions of dollars worth of... -Equipment. -Yeah, military equipment in Afghanistan. Like this guy is a wicked infantile traitor.

Right? And we have Kamala Harris as a vice president. This is God's judgment. God is indeed judging our nation.

And this is a proof text because this is how God does it. He lets infants rule the nation and his women rule over people. And this is why it's so important because we have to do things God's way, not what we think is politically correct.

We can't just elect a woman just for the sake of her being a woman. -Exactly. -Yep.

Nope, well said, Bryce. What we see now is God's judgment over the nation of the foolishness of our ways. God is letting us meet the end of our ways.

Okay. That's what Isaiah 3.12 says. That's a good verse to put in your back pocket if you want somebody to say, "Oh, it doesn't apply to the civil realm." Well, we see God explicitly saying, "When women rule over a nation, that's cause for judgment." That's what is explicitly said.

Keep that in your back pocket if you meet any complementarians or egalitarian or feminists that are going to fight you on that. Well, let me ask you this. Let me see what you say about this.

Okay. What do you do with the person who says, "Well, that's an established theocracy and that's different from the situation that we're in." What would you say to that? I would say we're in an established theocracy right now, regardless. And it's secularism and that doesn't-- just because they were living under the guise of, you know, the Jewish nation or the Jewish-- like a Jewish nation, if that makes sense, that doesn't mean that these were faithful Christians at the top.

And just like they'd be judged if they were-- what? Nothing can go. Bryce wants me to say something specific. No, it can go.

It's just part of the-- yeah, it's part of the creation order, I think is what you want me to say. Yeah, it's not binding just like how a Jewish nation would put evil people to preside over them and be the same thing as us doing it. It's really no different.

Just because it was a theocracy doesn't make it any different than any other nation. In Israel, although they literally had God's wall as a part of them, it doesn't make them any different than any other nation. The creation order is binding on all nations.

Yeah, and it can't-- yeah, exactly. Great point. I was going to get there eventually.

Okay, so now let's go to Deuteronomy 22.5 from-- if I can recollect inside of my mind. Let's see here. Give me a second.

Okay, 22.5. A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak. For whoever does these things is abomination to the Lord. Okay, so obviously this is talking about transvestitism, dressing, cross-dressing, trying to change her gender, all that kind of stuff we see, the transgenderism.

This is an abomination to God. So when you see the man that turned into a woman, apparently, that's reading books at the public library to kids, that's an abomination to God. That's not freedom.

That's not them being able to do what they want to do, and it's a very happy, good thing because they get to live out their truth. This is an abomination to God. Freedom is separate from autonomy.

Exactly. These are two entirely different concepts. Exactly, yeah, exactly.

And another big point of this passage is the word "man's garment" is used elsewhere in scripture to refer to military attire or military equipment. So what this text is also getting at is that a woman ought not to dress and do the roles that a man ought to do, namely be in the military. That's also an abomination to God.

And we see, we've sent our women to the front lines nowadays. We've made our women police officers. We have done things that are not fitting for a woman to fill.

And notice what me and Rocky are saying here, we don't want you guys to... [bell rings] We don't want you guys to be confused about this either, because this might be confusing and it might seem like we're saying something more radical than what we are saying. Here's exactly what we're saying. Women shouldn't be police officers.

Women shouldn't be firefighters. Women shouldn't be in the military. That's right there with that text.

That's that point. Yeah. And I'm saying that sarcastically on purpose.

That's exactly what we're saying. Yeah, we definitely don't want to be... Hopefully we've been extremely clear about what we're trying to say throughout this all these series. We don't want to be misquoted.

Right. We don't want people to misunderstand what we're saying. I think we've been very clear and we'll say it again.

The point of this episode that we're doing right now is, women are not supposed to be CEOs. Women are not supposed to be supervisors in companies. Women are not supposed to be police officers.

They're not supposed to be on the front lines. They're not supposed to go to war. They're not supposed to be vice presidents.

They're not supposed to be presidents. They're not supposed to be in the civil magistrate. They're not supposed to be in any form of leadership in the country whatsoever.

They're not supposed to be managers. You should not have a manager of a rule king be a woman. A manager of a Burger King.

Any of the kings. So, yeah. That's what we're saying.

This is creation order. This is in every single... If you start a non-for-profit, and when you start off, it's just you, it's just two employees. There's a man and a woman.

The man is required to step up as the leader and the woman is required to submit under the man's leadership. In a non-for-profit. That's not a church.

That's what we're saying. So, hopefully we've been clear on that. So, going off the Deuteronomy 22.5 and Nahum... What is it? Nahum 3... Son of a gun.

Nahum 3.13 Behold, your troops are women in your midst. Basically, he's... He's pronouncing a judgment on Nineveh here. And their troops are like women.

He's basically mocking them. Yeah, they're fit in the men. Yeah, it's not good for women to go to war.

It's not fitting for women to go to war. And even if you look at the natural law, not based on scripture, women are life-giving and men are made for work. It's not fitting for the life-giver to take life.

It's not fitting for women to take life to be sent. Right. Okay, so the civil government... And again, what people might be hearing is that me and Rocky are just oppressive to women and we don't want them to be liberated.

But we think that this, through what the scripture is saying, is the only thing that provides true liberty for the woman. Yeah. This is where freedom lies.

We're not being restrictive to a woman. What we are doing is saying that there is a very specific and beautiful role that is given by God to the women. Exactly.

And we must recognize what exactly that role is and encourage and exhort our mothers, our wives, our sisters to do these things, to act in a way by which God has created them. Because God indeed did give them a beautiful task. So we're not minimizing women in any way, but we are being very countercultural because the culture says a woman ought to act just like a man.

Exactly. The culture says a woman may do everything an unordained man can do. That's what the culture says.

That's what "conservative theologians" say. Yeah, "reformed conservative theologians" apparently. Wayne Grudem.

Right. Yeah. Tim Keller, these guys.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Here's an analogy.

If you put a fish out of water to break the bonds of... Deliberate it. ...of the chains of water, what have you done to the fish? You've killed it. You have basically taken it out of its glory and destroyed it.

That's what we've done with women. That's what Bryce and I are saying. We genuinely see ourselves as saving women.

Because God, well, ultimately God saves women. But we're basically just repeating what God has said to save women from being oppressed by being put into corporate America. By being put into roles of vice-presidency.

To be doing these things that are not fitting for them. Yeah. So we think this is where women flourish.

We think women in terms of... If we say women are fish, what is their water? Where do they belong? Yeah. Honestly, in submissive roles in all places. Right.

Doesn't mean they're not effective. They're not useful. We're not saying any of that.

We've repeated this a million times because all the feminists and everybody's going to get mad at what we're saying. This is not talking about the value of women. We've never once made a value claim on women.

Right. We have only displayed what God's word says about the role, how they play out in society. What do women do in society? What do women do in the church? What do women do in the home? They submit to the men that are leading over them.

Right. And obviously this is presuming that we have God the men leading. But obviously that doesn't happen.

Women are... Sorry. Their leaders are infants and women rule over them. Right.

So, yeah. Women are going to try to step up when there's weak men around. Right.

And that's not good. And you know what's fascinating too, like, in the situation with me and my wife, anybody hearing this might think again that Rocky and I are oppressive, but from all of our in-laws, they are... My in-laws, they're blown away by our relationship together. I've heard it from a multitude of different accounts about how much people love the way Juliana and I relate to one another and how much we love one another.

But if they knew what I believed, they would think that I'm an oppressive, you know, wife beater. Yeah. But the actions say something entirely different.

It's because Juliana and I are on the same exact page about this. Yeah. It's because she's embraced her God-given role and she loves it.

Yeah. She really does. Exactly.

There's true liberty that is found, and this is something my wife attests to all the time. There's true liberty found in fulfilling your God-ordained role. Juliana loves it.

And now she's even more excited because she's pregnant. So she just... It's all boiling up inside her and she's loving it. Yeah.

Because she's embracing this one-made role. Yeah. So there, again, here's an example.

This is an antidote, an anecdotal example, but nonetheless, it's still an example that my wife feels liberated because of what she's embraced from what Scripture teaches. Yeah. Exactly.

And we can always trust God's ways are better apart from the evidence. Oh, my wife loves it apart from evidence, although it's good to know those things that your wife truly does. Like Juliana does love it, you know, and feels liberated.

We can first of all just go to the God's word and say, "I trust you, God, more than I trust the culture. I trust you." It's the same thing for men. Men usurp their role in basically ruling justly rather than ruling unjustly.

That's also freeing for a man because when men are given the positions of ruling and they rule unjustly in evil ways, they are just binding themselves and change to evil. And true freedom comes from Christ. So the same thing can be said about men and their role.

Okay. So, yeah, we've labored that point enough. Let's finish this up.

Here's something John Knox says. He was a Scotsman in what was it? He was a Scotsman. Sixteenth century.

Yeah. Scotsman was former in the sixteenth century. Pretty beast.

Awesome guy. What? He's just awesome. He was a beast, you know.

He was wicked. He was an animal. And this is what he says about Bloody Mary concerning Bloody Mary, which was this ruler over Scotland that was a woman.

This is what he says. England. England.

Oh, was it? Yeah. Oh, but they had jurisdiction over Scotland. I forgot about that.

Yeah. So he says, "A woman promoted to sit in the seat of God, that is to teach, to judge, or to reign above a man, is monstrous in nature, contumelius to God," and I think I butchered that word, "and a thing most repugnant to his will and ordinance." So he's basically just saying it's monstrous. It's diabolical.

It's evil. It's unfitting. It's completely against what God has said, to have a woman in.

He says, "To teach, to judge, or to reign above a man in any way." And that's what the Bible teaches. Yeah. So I just wanted to read that quote because obviously he's a very respectable man that was a contemporary of a woman leading during his time.

And that's what he thought. Just so you know, this is a historical Christian view. Okay.

So the last thing we want to visit is Jezebel and Athaliah. Athaliah, something like that. The two women that ruled during the kings of Israel, these queens that rose up and were evil.

I just want to note both of them were extremely evil women that usurped the throne in very vicious and evil ways by murdering people and doing all sorts of evil things. And Jezebel is even used commonly as a derogatory term towards a promiscuous woman or a sorceress woman or, you know, those kinds of women. You also would say, "Oh, she has a Jezebel spirit." So these women are not like exactly exceptions to the rule of women shouldn't rule.

They're a good example of why women shouldn't rule because they usually do a very poor job and destroy society. And just to revisit Deborah and Barack real quick, a reminder. Deborah was a judge over Israel, which was also not only a spiritual leadership position, but also a literal civil leadership position over Israel.

The point of her rising to be a judge is because none of the men set to do it. So it was an indictment against Israel. It's not an exception to the rule, and it's not.

So many egalitarianists use Deborah as an example of that women can rule. This is an exception because the men that during that time were not stepping up to rule. Reminder that in 1 Samuel and in Hebrews 11, Barack is mentioned as the one that led Israel during that time and not Deborah.

So scripture even attests to, and as we let scripture interpret itself, if you go to 1 Samuel and you also go to Hebrews 11, you'll see Barack mentioned instead of Deborah. So Barack was the one leading Israel during that time, not Deborah. And something, Deborah was a godly woman.

We can't overreact to it, but even still recognize she did not allow herself to have authority. She went to Barack and she had him lead. Yeah, exactly.

She recognized her god-ordained role as a prophetess, and she did not use her authority. She did not take control. Exactly.

So she exudes a good godly image here. Exactly. And that's why Barack is mentioned because she let him lead.

She wanted him to lead. She knew her role. Yeah.

Even though he kind of acted like a woman, she still kept exhorting him and pushing him on to do it. Exactly. Yeah.

Okay, so there's no exceptions to the rule in scripture, guys. This is what scripture plainly teaches. Even in the civil sphere, women are not to rule.

I want to read this last long quote by Lieutenant General Sir John Bagot Glubb from 1897 to 1986. He's a British soldier and scholar, and he wrote the essay, the following essay about women in public life destroying civilization. The name of the essay was "The Fate of Empires in the Search for Survival." And we're going to finish with this because it's a longer quote, but I want you guys to hang with it here because I thought this was really good reading.

It's on page 264 of Masco and Christianity, Zach Garris' book. "An increase in the influence of women in public life has often been associated with national decline. The later Romans complained that although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome.

In the 10th century, a similar tendency was observable in the Arab Empire, the women demanding admission to the professions hitherto monopolized by men." What wrote the contemporary historian Ibn Bessam have the professions of clerk, tax collector, or preacher to do with women? These occupations have always been limited to men alone. Many women practice law while others obtain posts as university professors. There was an agitation for the appointment of female judges, which, however, does not appear to have succeeded.

Soon after this period, government and public order collapsed, and foreign invaders overran the country. The resulting increase in confusion and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets with the result that this feminist movement collapsed. The disorders following the military takeover in 861 and the loss of the empire had played havoc with the economy.

At such a moment, it might have been expected that everyone would redouble their efforts to save the country from bankruptcy, but nothing of the kind occurred. Instead, at this moment of declining trade and financial stringency, the people of Baghdad introduced a five-day week. When I first read these contemporary descriptions of 10th century Baghdad, I would scarcely believe my eyes.

I told myself, "This must be a joke. This description might have been taken out of the times today." The resemblance of all the details was especially breathtaking. The breakup of the empire, the abandonment of sexual morality, the pop singers with their guitars, the entry of women into the professions the five-day week.

All the things you just heard was this guy talking about this Arab empire from some historian, Ibn Bessam, talking about women during this time period taking university positions. He has university professors taking the professions of men, producing the five-day work week. These are evidences of feminism, and it's been happening for a very long time.

We have the scriptures to display to us these professions, these things that men have historically done and do better than women and are made to do, are what flourish the society. This bankruptcy of this Arab empire, the decline of the whole society, this was due to female rule in the civilization. The point is, female rule destroys society.

It's a judgment from God, and it's wrong. It's evil, it's monstrous, it's unfitting, it's diabolical, it's evil to its core. And it's not what God intended for men and women in all walks of life.

So, the home, the church, the civil sphere, all are to be led by men. This is what the scriptures teach. This is not an extrapolation from principles.

This is clearly what the Bible teaches. We've just walked through it. And right now, we're making an ought claim.

We're saying this is how it ought to be. We're not saying this is what is, because right now we're seeing a total rebellion against the creative order of God as we see, like Rocky read, from that general into that Arabic nation. And specifically with America, that women are now leaving the home, which they've been doing for a long time, specifically back to the World War when men were going out of work.

And I actually had a conversation with somebody, an older lady, not too long ago, who said, you know, these people, the men went out to the war, the women stepped up and went into the warehouses and the manufacturers, and they were doing the man's job since they were out at war. And then this is what she said. And the men came home and they just expected the women to go back to work.

To go back home. Sorry, to go back home. They just expected the women to go back home.

And I looked at Juliana and she's just sitting there shaking her head no at me. Like, don't go. Don't bite on that.

And I didn't I didn't bite on it. I was just like, yeah, yeah, how could they expect that? How indeed? No, I just I just got real silent, just real silent. Didn't say anything.

She's like, I don't see you. But but seriously, this is the fundamental error of our society. This is the huge turning mark that's impacted everything.

I don't think that we've really come to grips with how vital that moment was because the sexual revolution is what started it. The intensive liberalism is on what started it. What started it was feminism.

Feminism is the absolute root and it's the poison of our society. The reason we're at in our society where we're at right now is because of feminism. And that's it.

Yeah, that's the that's what we can put our finger on. That's the foundational error that our society has made is because once the women get into all these other fields, they start purporting their poison is a doctrine and ideology. And it infiltrates everything.

It's very evasive. Oh, it's a it's like that one. That one plant that came over from Japan, that's super invasive.

What's it called? Kudzu? Yeah, kudzu. But it's like it's taking everything over. It's covering over all the walls, all the trees.

It's it's like literally taking over our society. It's an invasive species within America and it is destroying us from the inside out. Oh, it is.

It's rotting us. It's a disease. And the problem, the reason that that is the rising and falling of nations is on the judgment of God.

Yeah. And this is God's judgment. Oh, it's coming.

Yeah. We have a woman vice president, and we have a male as an infant as a president. Yeah, honestly, this is the judgment of God on our nation, but we have to recognize that Christ has won the battle.

He's the ruler of all kings, and he has come. He's stomped on the serpent's head, and he's offered life eternal and forgiveness to those who cry out to his name. Everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

And this is a truthful saying that Jesus came into the world to die for sinners. So if this is upsetting you guys, if when you're hearing this, this isn't something that you're liking, it's attacking your heart, your soul, anything. Cry out to Jesus.

Jesus offers healing to all sinners, even feminists. He offers healing to everyone. He wants feminists to repent.

Yeah, they're right. And this is the gospel message. So if you guys haven't heard this before, Jesus Christ did come into the world to save sinners.

He took on our sin upon himself on the cross. He died the death that we deserved, and he gave us his righteousness. And when we believe in him by faith, we have the perfect righteousness of Christ.

And now we can stand before a holy God. So believe on Jesus. He died and he rose again on the third day.

He's a king over all kings. So this is the message of salvation, and this is the only way that our country will be healed. Because ultimately, even if we have male headship, like Rome did, still a pagan nation, the gospel's what transforms.

So even though feminism is the fundamental issue of our society, what saves that is not patriarchy. What saves it is the gospel that goes forth into patriarchy. Right? Patriarchy is a byproduct of the gospel.

So believe in Jesus. It's just a mimicry of the gospel. Jesus is the head, and the church submits.

It's just a mimicry of that. Christ is the ultimate forerunner of patriarchy, masculinity. Also, one other point I want to make with you saying how the women get into these professor university positions and spread their poison.

A lot of the big ideas that are destroying society right now, a lot of women have developed a lot. And the one that comes to mind is, that's the most prevalent right now, is critical race theory. And Kimberly Crenshaw is a woman that has developed critical race theory a lot.

And she's kind of the head of it. And the Black Lives Matter organization, that was started by women. And yeah, our vice president is a woman.

So yeah, this is bad. These women in positions of authority touting their ideas, bad. Not good.

And a majority of the women teachers, Bible teachers, bad. Not good. A lot of them heretics.

Joyce Meyer, get out of here. Beth Moore, go home. Sadie Robinson, Robertson.

Terrible. They're a church of Christ. I just kind of learned that.

All the Duck Dynasty people are a church of Christ, and they're heretics. The church of Christ is a cult. It's not actually Christianity, unfortunately.

I didn't know that. But yeah, I think that's all we need to say. And again, I want to reinforce the point.

We're not saying that women suck. We're not saying that women are good for nothing. That their doormats only need to be stepped upon by men.

We're saying that women have a God-ordained role, and we must follow that. That's all we're saying. Women are glorious.

Women are holy by creation. And we need images of God. Right.

Worthy and wonderfully made. In the image of God. Have a purpose.

Have worth by virtue of them being a woman. And unique strengths that men don't have. But what the difference is, is who has the authority.

That's clear. But we're not saying women do everything worse than a man. And we're also not saying that there's never a type of authority that women have, because women have legitimate authority over the physical home.

Yeah, exactly. That's a God-given task that women have legitimate authority over children. So we're not saying that there is absolutely no authority given to women.

Exactly. It's just never over the man. Exactly.

The man is the head, then the woman. And the woman has full domain and dominion in the home, in terms of the physical home, the components of the home. Cooking, cleaning, ordering all of it.

Managing the household. Managing the household. But the man is the head of it all.

Exactly. In terms of the concept of the home. Yeah, that's a good point.

Zach Garrison, this book, uses the analogy of it's like a prime minister to a president or something. Yeah. It's not that the prime minister doesn't have authority.

It's just that there is one higher. We are the king, and we have a very close counselor who we sleep with. Yeah.

She's our queen. Yeah, she's just second in command, you know? Yeah. That's just, yeah.

So that is what we believe about anthropology, about men and women, masculinity and femininity. That really is walking through. We've just addressed the past couple weeks how that plays out in every single part of human existence.

Yeah. We're done. I mean, we've accomplished it.

Now, would Bryce and I like to see all these things implemented in human society on every nation on the face of this planet? Yes. And as the gospel goes to the ends of the earth and God's knowledge is proclaimed, that will happen. We think this is best.

This is what God thinks is best. That's how he made things. Sorry, it's not what God thinks is best.

That's how he made things. That's what it means for the creative order. It's not just the best thing.

This is necessary. This is how he made it. Yeah.

So, yes, Bryce and I want to see this reform in society. Yes, you play a part of it, listener, whoever, whatever you're doing, if you're married, if you're single, whatever, you need to express God's word accurately and biblically. Do not give in to what the culture wants.

Yeah. You have to stand firm, stand strong, act like men, be strong in the faith. And if your initial response to everything that we've said over this whole series has anything, or has everything that comes out of your mouth except scripture, then you're a coward and you're an effeminate man.

We need to stop using our own worldly wisdom. We need to rely solely on God's word. It doesn't matter how you think about it.

It doesn't matter how you feel about it. It doesn't matter what you might think God actually is teaching. You need to get rid of all your bad hermeneutics of how you're understanding specific key passages in scripture.

You need to go back and read Genesis 1 and 2 and see how Paul quotes it. Yeah. See how he's understanding the creative order, see how Jesus understands marriage.

Exactly. You need to get back to what God says. So, if your gut reaction is anything but scripture, you need to take a step back and read scripture.

Exactly. No, that's a really important question. And go over what we've read.

Don't just take our word for it. You guys have a Bible available to you. Go search and see whether these things are true.

Take up and read. I put all the key text in the show notes. Take up, read the word of God, and notice what we're pointing out here about the creation order.

This is a big principle that God lays out in his word that we need to be obviously obedient to. And he created the world a certain way. If he's the creator, that means he sets up what's supposed to happen.

So, if we went before God and asked him, "God, should women lead in the civil sphere?" God, should a woman be a CEO? Should a woman be this? He would say the words "yes" or he would say the words "no." He would give us a direct answer. And the answer is already revealed to us. We don't need to ask him because he's already told us.

It is, "No, women are not to do those things." That's my point. There's objective truth. There's a right way and a wrong way.

There's no spectrum. There's no complementary and compromise. There's no spectrum.

There's a clear way this all works together. So, these theological topics aren't on a compromise. It's either if we asked God himself on the revealed things, he would say "yes" or "no." But on the things, I'm sorry, on the hidden things, he'd say "yes" or "no" to us.

We'd have to ask him when we get to heaven. This is one of those revealed things. We know how men and women act in all of life based on God's word.

It has been revealed to us. So, let's be faithful to it. And if you guys have a dispute with us, if you guys think that we're wrong, if you guys think that there's texts that we haven't addressed, then please send Rocky an email.

We would love to check those out because at the end of the day, if me and Rocky, if Rocky and I are wrong, we would love to know. We would love to know if we're wrong. But we've scoured the scriptures and this really seems like what God is teaching because it is what he's teaching.

But if we're wrong, we seriously both would love to know. So, if you guys have some other texts, anything that we should check out, let us know. If you guys want to talk about this, email Rocky.

Please. Yeah. You would love to have a phone call with me.

Exactly. Yeah, that's a good segue. So, let's wrap this up.

It's been a longer episode. We just wanted to wrap up this series. That's why it's a little bit longer episode.

These are our exhortations at the end of the episode. Everything you just heard, this is our exhortation. This is our encouragement.

This is what we challenge you to do. And if your feelings are hurt, this is God's word. It's going to cut your bone.

It's going to cut you deep to the bone of the marrow. That's what it's designed to do. Humans have obviously a proclivity to sinfulness and wrong thinking, futile thinking, darkened minds.

So, if this is cutting you up and you're very angry with us or whatever, don't... Bryce and I are just touting God's words. We're not... Don't be angry with us. Be angry with God and reconcile with him.

And then, he'll probably discipline you and break you on the matter. So, pray for wisdom and truly seek God's word. Search the scriptures.

This is our exhortation. Okay, so, like Bryce said, if you do have an email or a way you want to interact, you can... You can reach me at forthekingpodcast@gmail.com. I'll put it in the show notes. Check out the Facebook page, developing that, trying to make that look good and reach the nations with the gospel.

Thanks so much for listening, guys. You can check out the... I released a new blog on forthekingpodcast.com. It's my website associated with the podcast and the blog. Thanks so much for listening.

I think that's everything I have to say. So, to God... Oh, to the King of the Ages... What is it? I need to memorize it. Let me run there real quick.

Let me run there. This is my doxology I always end with. 1 Timothy 1, 17, "To the King of the Ages, a mortal, an invisible, the only God, be honored in glory forever and ever.

Amen. Solely, day of Gloria."

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