Effeminate Men

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Effeminate Men

July 18, 2021

One sin that has flown under the radar for a considerable amount of time in our society is the sin of effeminacy in men. Today Bryce and I make a biblical case on why this is indeed a sin for a man to be effeminate and what effeminacy can look like in society. We walk through practical steps to overcome such sinfulness and how to be watchful against it in our own lives as men.

Zachary Garris : Masculine Christianity

San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus Video

-> Biblical response to that video

Key Texts: 1 Corinthians 6:9; 16:13, Deuteronomy 22:5, Matthew 11:7-9

My guest joining me this week on the Sunday series is my brother Bryce. Bryce is getting his undergraduate degree in philosophy and hopes to get his MDiv. from a seminary after he completes his undergrad. He hopes to be a pastor shepherding Gods people one day.

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Transcript

(music) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolatchers, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor avowers, nor extortioners shall inherit the kingdom of God. Welcome everybody to the For The King podcast where Jesus is the king. When Jesus is being led to his death, Pilate turns to him and asks, "Are you king of the Jews?" and Jesus says, "It is as you have said." It is as you have just said.

So this is a podcast where we obviously exalt and glorify Jesus as the king. I'm joined today as usual on Sundays if you've been a long-time listener of the podcast with my brother Bryce. There'll be like a short description of kind of what he's about in the the show notes, but that's what I have with me today.

It's just me and Bryce. And today the topic of the podcast that we want to get into, we're going to do a short two-part series. We'll finish this up next week.

It'll be a shorter series, but we just want to talk about a pressing issue in our society that kind of finds its root in the feminism movement coming out of the mid-19th century. And just the issue of effeminate men in our society. You know, an effeminate man would just be a obviously a male that is exuding female characteristics.

So it's not, you wouldn't call, you know, you would call a feminine man a feminine, not feminine. Feminine is uniquely for women. An effeminate man is just one that's exuding feminine qualities.

Because women exuding feminine qualities is a virtue. It's a good thing, yeah. Men doing it is.

Exactly. And that's why it's its own thing. It's its own unique term.

So we're gonna, we want to talk about that today. And that verse that I read starting off the podcast is going to be kind of the anchor for this discussion today. We want to start off this week just talking about effeminate men.

And then next week we want to get into what the culmination of a generational effeminacy will manifest as. And that's in homosexuality. And we'll get into that sin next week and how that impacts society.

But this week it's just men that, you know, they're probably heterosexual and have wives or whatever. But they are effeminate in their actions and what they do. So we're just going to walk through that a little bit.

Anything else you want to add Bryce? No, that was a good introduction. Okay. So this verse explicitly says, you know, it's listing off sins that if you are found to be in love with the sin or the sin describes your life, you will not inherit the kingdom of God.

So there are people that have struggled with these things in the past, including the homosexual acts or fornicators, idolaters, all that kind of stuff that have repented of their sins, turned to Christ, and obviously they will inherit the kingdom of God. It's not just because you do these things, you will inherit the kingdom of God, but they should not describe your life. You should not be in love with these sins.

And one of the sins that is listed here. Now I was reading from the KGB. There are, you might not find in 1 Corinthians 6, verse 9, the word effeminate.

You may find, for instance, in the ESV. Let me turn that real quick. Mine says in chapter 6, verse 9, instead of effeminate men, it says, "nor men who practice homosexuality." So do you want to walk through Bryce real quick, what that discrepancy is and why effeminate men is a good understanding there? And this is a sin that we need to think of in the church.

Yeah. So first off, the ESV's rendition of that section talks about those who practice homosexuality is really leaving off an entire Greek word. So the section that Rocky walked through where it describes effeminancy and homosexuality separately, ESV puts those out as one thing.

Yeah. So there's two different Greek words being employed there. The effeminate is malicos and the homosexual is a hard word that I'm not really entirely sure how to pronounce, but it's arsenicovatites.

Let me give it a little gander. Try to gander that and see how you would pronounce it. Oh.

Arsenicovites. Yeah, and it's probably the cajatites. Essentially, so there's two, with clarity, there's just two Greek words used there, but ESV renders them as one section with, I mean, with some possibly good reasons, even though as we walk through it we'll see that these reasons are debunked.

So the word for malicos there has been assumed to mean a catamite, which is the passive partner in the homosexual act, and the other word, which would be rendered for homosexual, would be seen as the sodomite or the one who is the active partner in the homosexual act. So there's really these two different words being used and the word for malicos has been throughout the scriptures used as a soft person. You would see this being used in Matthew 11, verse 8, when Jesus says, "But what did you go out to see?" This is referencing Kajan the Baptist.

"A man dressed in malicos clothing or soft clothing, those who wear malicos clothing are in king's palaces." And again, it's the the same, Jesus is talking about the same person in Luke chapter 7, verse 25, he pretty much says the same thing, this is just another rendition of him saying it, "But what did you go out to see? A man dressed in malicos clothing." Same word used, same word, softness. In both times it's referencing to a soft clothing, something that isn't meant for a man like John the Baptist sort where he would wear, you know, camel's hair around his body which was very rigid and hard. Yeah, but rigid.

Rigid. Rigid. No, it's not.

Well, I've only ever said rigid. I would think rugged would be the word there, like rugged and hard clothing. Yeah.

Okay, makes sense to me. I don't know what that word is that you said. Rigid.

Rigid. I think I mixed together rugged and rigid. Yeah.

Interesting. Happens. Yeah, this is John the Baptist being described here as a sort of man's man as opposed to one wearing soft clothing.

Jesus would be a feminine. Yes, yeah, Jesus commends John the Baptist for his behavior. Yeah.

They're like, you know, they're basically criticizing John the Baptist, Jesus defends him and talks about his ministry and was like, "This was a man. This was a man of God wearing clothing." Even his clothing had some kind of spiritual element to it. Right.

And ours does too, even now. Right. As a man.

And that's why it's very important to not be Gnostic when it comes to masculine or feminine virtues. Yeah, we're getting to that. Gnostic meaning like something that is, like Rocky said, just thinking about it spiritually, right? We are embodied creatures.

God made them male and female with specific roles, as you told Adam to keep in guard the garden. Yeah. And for a woman to be a help meet for Adam to come alongside him.

Exactly. Well, and even talking about some of the intuitive parts that, if we don't want to be just Gnostic and think about it in a spiritual way, even the intuitive parts, the Bible does not ever define what a male is and what a female is. It just describes the roles that they play out.

The Bible just assumes from the book of nature, the natural law, that when you look out in the world, you should be able, the Bible expects humans to intuitively say, this one's a man and this one's a female. And then you can probably make out why because one has different sexual organs, one is a little bit taller, one has more muscle mass, one has, you know, all these different just natural things that make the sexes work well together. Right.

You know. And the gender is given by God of how those roles are played out. Those are God-given.

Those don't change. And gender doesn't change. Right.

And their God-given deviation from the God-given, ordained pattern of human sexuality is what we call, I mean, it's kind of a fancy word, but it's what we just call sin. Yeah, it's that easy, you know, but it's just it's sin. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

You don't have to beat around the bush. You don't have to give a 15-minute talk. Right.

It's just it's sin. So the the main point being driven here is that effeminency is sinful. It's wicked.

It's an abomination to God just like a transvestite is in Deuteronomy 22.5 for a man who dresses like a woman or a woman who dresses like a man. That's an abomination to God. Yeah.

Because God hates them. Because he made them a specific way, which means that they are to live in a manner by which God has created them. Yeah, even specific clothing.

Even specific clothing. Yeah. Very, very simple thing.

To it because it it exemplifies the way in which they have been created. Right. They're adorned externally with the way that they are internally adorned.

And that's why first like Peter gets into women who of old were adorned with a quiet and submissive heart. Right. Not with fancy gold jewelry, yada, yada, yada, because he's talking about humility of mind and their submission to men.

So it's specifically referencing to that. That's how we should understand even physical apparel. Yeah, exactly.

It expresses the nature of one person. A male. Exactly.

Yeah. That's good. So there are two different ways to understand the section of the malicos, right? The effeminate man.

The more liberal scholar would say that this is just referencing to just someone who is soft and clothing referencing and they would go to Matthew 11 as well. Yeah. And say that's why it's actually not sin for homosexuality is not a sin.

Yeah. Obviously this is incorrect. And then the conservative and which we are conservatives but the the conservative would then go too far and say no that's actually not talking about effeminancy or softness at all.

It is merely talking about the passive partner in homosexuality. But as Zachary Garris says in his book masculine Christianity, he talks about the word malicos. It does not literally refer to to a homosexual but is used to describe a soft slash effeminate man and the ultimate expression of such effeminacy is that of the passive partner and male homosexual behavior.

So this is why even when you read that you can still see that it is both the effeminate male but the reason it's the effeminate male is because it describes it's described by this passive partner. So both acts are wicked and are sinful because the passive partner is subverting his god-ordained authority under another man by acting as a woman. Right? So he's fulfilling the role that was not created by him.

Thus he's become effeminate and therefore he is an abomination to god. And will not inherit the kingdom of god. And will not inherit the kingdom of god.

Exactly. Yeah. So we have to hold both of these in conjunction with one another and we must not isolate either of them.

Exactly. Because effeminacy is a wicked sin and it's also a wicked sin to be the passive partner in a homosexual relationship. Yeah.

Both of them. Yep. Both.

Exactly. Well and we just just to push the point even further, no matter this is played out in human nature even when it's deviated. Just like you you'll have in a gay relationship or a lesbian relationship you'll see one of the partners that seem a little more masculine.

Even when there's two women in a homosexual relationship, one of the one of the women like has a you know looks more like the masculine part. One of them has long long hair and the other one has short hair. Yeah.

And it's just yeah it's like a male. It's just interesting because we we naturally want to play that out already and it's obviously you're incapable of reproducing in a homosexual union. So the fact that they still want to play out the obvious parts of a man and a woman should be together.

You know it's an indictment against their own intuitive understanding of sexuality. Even when they try to distort it they can't escape what has been built into nature in the genders that there should be a masculine figure and there should be a feminine figure and that's played out best in obviously the way God made it for a man and a woman. God's way is the best way.

God's way is the best way and should I bring up the Jesus thing real quick? That Jesus did speak? No we should wait till next week yeah. We'll bring that up next week but I think that's good. It's a good synopsis of that verse.

We see even this is an Old Testament teaching because we see God speaking to in Deuteronomy to transvestites to cross dressing to women serving in military roles to all these kind of things that it is always bad for a woman to act like a man and for a man act like a woman for men to be effeminate. We're speaking mainly to the male sin of effeminacy because that's more characteristic of our culture but obviously it's just as sinful for a woman to try to usurp the man's role in a relationship to be yeah exactly that is um that's also a grave sin. But here we do want to speak to the effeminate men obviously and this is a sin men that are especially men in the church it's it's it is a it's a sad thing to see effeminate men in the church.

Men in the church are supposed to be masculine strong bold courageous men. This is when you think about some of the figures all throughout history and even back to our lord you know Jesus obviously played this out perfectly. He confronted people to their face he was strong he was courageous he was not nice and tried and again this goes into the niceness Christianity that everybody just wants a nice guy Christian guys are supposed to just be nice guys.

We're supposed to be kind guys. Sometimes being kind is this podcast where we're not beating around the bush if you're gay you won't inherit the kingdom of god. That's the end of the whole talk.

You'll hear a lot of evangelical leaders now when they are confronted with a question about homosexuality in conference they're gonna they're gonna beat around the bush. Yeah the scriptures speak to it but you know it's a little more nuanced than uh everybody would kind of put off you know if you're gay and you're this you know you can be a gay Christian um basically you're led off the hook especially um this this whole carnal gay Christian lingo is basically enabling men to be effeminate or men to they're off the hook if they're made effeminate that kind of thing. Everybody is responsible to put their sin to death even if you're a heterosexual man you have to put that sin to death that's out of line with the god's bounds.

Yeah exactly yeah same thing so it's not a double standard and I would hope obviously everybody would be just as blunt to Bryce and I as heterosexual men if we were doing uh sexual and moral things you know it's the homosexuality all that kind of stuff so you know we're just going to be blunt about it and this is just a grave sin in our culture and it starts first we're rooting at first in a feminism and then this next step is we'll talk about how it'll manifest in society as the society goes more gay more homosexual and we see this um happening uh I'm gonna put a link in the show notes but I watched this video of the um like San Francisco gay men's choir uh putting out a video of them talking about how they want to convert Christian children to be gay friendly to love others and include others and be tolerant and all that kind of stuff just really crazy language um being said but basically just you know enabling that and in one of their lyrics they said gen z is gayer than whatever generation was before that um you know how is it how's a generation more gay if it's like a genetic thing if you're born that way you know there should be the same amount of people born gay right it's it's obviously uh a social construct and not they're trying to claim this is a part of nature yeah when actually what's a part of nature is the gender roles rooted in the scriptures that's what's a part of nature and they're actually the deviation yeah but they're trying to say they're the normal we're born this way and it makes no inherent logical sense either because it's isolating the psyche apart from the embodied person so really to make a claim like that that you can be born gay is really to be a Gnostic where you just look at the psyche or in other words the spirit yeah your spirit is gay because if you look at nature if you have a penis that was made for one thing only so you can't be genetically or naturally gay yeah it's only a Gnostic deal that's in you know formulated in your own mind because of an effeminate behavior um yeah yeah yeah so i think that's a really like so many evangelicals are bowing down to the idea that i do not be oh i just like you know just um you can be born gay but you know i don't actually practice i just the aesthetic yeah male it's very attractive to me yeah it's like this guy's honestly an idiot what do you mean like that's just a fancy word of saying that you like guys yeah you're trying to what do you mean the aesthetic of it yeah like that's what it's always been about it's always been about the sexual pleasure that you have in your mind yeah you're just using fancy language to theologically do a gymnastic move to get around the problem of the sin yeah exactly just grow up and be a man and put the death your sin if we all have to do it you have to do it too exactly yeah nobody's let off the hook not even a feminine men and that's kind of the point of this podcast that yeah a lot of people will basically just give them a license to be a feminine that kind of thing so bryce and i also now um as we kind of move towards wrapping this up we want to get into kind of how this plays out in society and how bryce and i see people in the church and uh this book by zach garris that was really good that bryce they got bryce and i kind of on this mindset of thinking more biblically about masculinity um again want to read it re want to reiterate the point when we when we talk about how it manifests in society men in the church are characteristically fat you know we're not gnostics like being a man isn't just um you lead your family spiritually we're going to get into that in the end that is the primary and the most important thing but um bodily training is of some use so there is obviously god created the body therefore he cares about the body and he has a purpose for the body and the purpose for the male body that's different obviously different than the female body as we can obviously see in sports that men are much stronger much faster um than women so your body's not supposed to be pudgy and not able to move not able to provide your family not able to protect when you need to men are supposed to be strong you know um women are the the spiritual component women are soft so their bodies are by nature a little softer if a woman not fatter not fast softer they're softer we're not trying to make that point they're softer if a woman you know no matter how much she works out she can get tone obviously but she's not going to be like rock solid like a guy that goes to the gym and works out often he's gonna his his tone is going to be rock solid a woman will never look like doeing the rock johnson yeah it's yeah unless she's taking testosterone supplements or in trying to suppress her estrogen things like that but um so very simple things like that you know if you're a man you should not be fat you should not be that isn't a feminine quality gluttony gluttony is its own sin but it can manifest the fat man is lazy he doesn't provide for his family and he doesn't lead he may provide for his family obviously like a job and i'm saying he doesn't provide the kind of masculine feel of having a strong man around strong authority and strong authority you may provide physically but when you go home and your wife still rules to home even though you may make all the money you're a feminine yeah exactly because your life's willing to home yeah right so there's that element to it clothing men um i mean hey i'm not gonna lie i i used to wear i'm a i'm a younger guy so i kind of got caught up in some of the fashion fad trends and i would wear i never wore skinny jeans but i'd wear the slim fit jeans um we're pretty much skinny jeans and now that i've blown up like a balloon since i've been going to the gym um i put on like 25 pounds of muscle it's been pretty cool but now my legs are huge and it looks super gay when i wear jeans i have to buy i get a whole new wardrobe now and it's just um there's an effeminate nature to even clothing um you you're not as apt to respect at least i'm not if i see a guy dressed super tight clothing trying to show off his body i don't even care if he's somewhat muscular if i see a man dressed like that i'm just like all right this guy's kind of self-absorbed and kind of like um cares about his how he looks and cares about his clothing and stuff and half the time to people like that they're you got little chicken legs and their wrists are entirely limped they're not actually like strong males they just they're literally exuding a fem an effeminate property exactly yeah yeah that's that's another thing Bryce this is kind of a joke but also there's some seriousness to this if you if you're curious if you're an effeminate man if you're just kind of an autopilot in your day say you're at your job or you're at the office or you're hanging out with your family or whatever talking to somebody just take a glance and um look at your wrists and if they're limp and hanging you gotta fix that that just looks bad and also one thing i i've just kind of stopped that getting out of the habit of biting my nails biting your nails is looks um it's not necessarily effeminate but it's like it's boyish you know there's things like that and it just shows a lack of self-control lack of self-control you're kind of nervous it looks like you're nervous like yeah men should be bold and should be um they should look confident and yeah just simple stuff like that like work on your body be strong don't be fat um be competent learn skills learn how to do stuff dress like a man don't um like john the baptist did right exactly hard clothing and jesus commensate for it um and don't like yeah have your your wrists hanging men are supposed to be like um rigid and strong and just when you're when your wrists hang like that it it doesn't look manly and also just think about how you grab things if you're grabbing things like a a quarter machine at an arcade that is you know one of those little hook things that come down and you know grab a teddy bear or something that's a funny analogy i didn't think you're grabbing something like that and you can't get it i mean i'm not necessarily saying you can't get it yeah it's just let sure write down your palms don't make any compact with the thing you're trying to grab that's just funny we're talking about how to grab things as a man but it's true that's a feminine it really is i remember at my work at my warehouse before um man this was probably like a two two year and a half two years ago now i was grabbing things i worked like i just said i work at a warehouse picking packing pulling tickets whatnot grabbing product um grabbing appliances with a dolly stuff like that i would grab things with just my fingertips it got to a point where man i just got so mad because i recognize like i kind of i kind of look feminine yeah i'm doing this i need to grab it just grab it get it over actually grab the whole thing yeah not part of it yeah right which honestly yeah when you pick something up a lack of confidence you know yeah um which is also odd because women don't even really do that with their wrist a ton either no it's just weird how effeminacy usually breeds that in men specifically so yeah um but yeah just because something's effeminate doesn't mean it's women do this like for instance the whole like if you're overweight you know that's it's manifesting an effeminate um a man being more effeminate it's not like these things that manifest sometimes women don't have limp wrists like that all the time it just limp wrists looks like a not strong man effeminacy is just a soft man which doesn't necessarily look it's not a one-to-one ratio with it with a how a woman is supposed to be soft she's in her own unique thing that's why you don't call again back to the beginning it's an effeminate man not a feminine man because women are do their own unique they have their own unique softness that's good a woman being feminine is a virtue it's a virtue it's godly it's upright that's the way god made things but yeah it does that's right it's women don't do these things is not the point an effeminate man is just a soft man right like we're not that's playing a passive role in society we're not making fun of women no we're making fun of men who are effeminate exactly not making fun of them but like you guys get what we're saying we're critiquing their lifestyle the lifestyle and the feminacy like paul does and like god himself does exactly yeah that they won't inherit the kingdom of heaven so this is guys lumped in with homosexuality being a drunkard yeah like these things are wicked sins that must be put to death exactly and honestly a really good applicable way to start doing it just start grabbing things harder yeah actually grab something don't just grab it with just your fingertips right if you're if you're a little chubby you know you got if you if i can touch your belly and it's like i'm touching some jello let's start working out a little bit let's let's man up and act like men and be stronger exactly um whatever you do as a job do it with all your might and come home and don't just let your wife rule the home and being effeminate but rule your home well as godly and loving authority to your wife and to your kids and lead and guide them well in the faith exactly yeah physically yeah let's wrap up with that how should a man how does it the fit we talked about there's some random physical things that manifest in society let's talk about the spiritual authority of man and what effeminate men don't do as spiritual authorities in leading their household right yeah so i mean one big thing an effeminate male would do is one let their wife be the spiritual foundation and authority in the home yeah so when the kids your wife shouldn't be trying to drag them drag you to church exactly right you should be dragging your whole family to church yeah and obviously they should be doing it out of yeah they would hopefully like it if dad if dad's yeah fostered the home well right the family should like it exactly but be very loving and kind and tender with your wife recognizing that she's the weaker vessel like peter says you should honor her if you don't honor her fellas your prayers yeah your prayers are hindered be hindered god won't listen to you if you don't honor your wife so if if you're and love her you know if you're beating on your wife um if you're making fun of women because they're um because they're a weaker vessel that's a feminine yeah you should honor and like this as a problem 31 call your wife blessed yeah because she's a godly woman right you should honor virtue where virtue is to be honored right if she's a godly woman honor that respect her respect it um but don't submit to her because you're not to submit to your wife you're supposed to love her and be godly authority as you sacrifice your body and your life for your wife just like jesus did give up your life for her and if you're around a woman that is um obviously a feminine woman she's not trying to be masculine and there are things in your masculinity that are obviously going to be different than the woman's femininity like bryce said you should never ever make her feel bad for being feminine for instance if she gets a little more wrapped up in her feelings sometimes and things are harder in certain instances for her to handle um like just i i know one with with my fiance is just she can be overwhelmed when driving and men all the men i know usually are not overwhelmed when driving they're fine in traffic and if she's getting overwhelmed while she's driving or something and it's a little bit more difficult to do a certain driving like action because she's a little overwhelmed you should never ever make fun of a woman driver yeah if she's just different in that sense you should never make her feel bad for being a little overwhelmed in uh the situation like that where you could possibly get hurt in a car and get a crash if she's overwhelmed about that you should just encourage her and come alongside her and lead her and help her and say hey what somebody's in the lane next to here you know be a helping you know help that obviously and most of the time you should be driving if you guys are gonna be together anyways yeah but uh stuff like that i don't know that's just one thing in my head you should never make her feel bad for femininity yeah exactly and honor another masculine trait would just be simply um being the theological foundation of the home right not being swayed by everyone of doctrine but being a firm foundation and uh convinced of the confession of jesus christ as the son of the living god um and and who he is and what he has come and taught us doctrinally exactly so being sound in the faith and we've done a lot of episodes on various different doctrines so listen to those um and listen to stuff like ligandary ministries and renewing your mind podcasts like be doctrinally sound you can't just be uh providing physically you have to be providing spiritually and just as adam was to keep and guard the garden which included his wife we also are to keep and guard our home um which implies guarding and keeping our wife and our children yep so it's another godly masculine spiritual virtue among being self-controlled not given to anger don't provoke your children to anger paul says in effusion 6-1-4 um but love them right teach them the faith bring them up in the strength and admonition of the lord yeah um and if you're not a husband or a father then work towards these things right start grabbing stuff harder but even more important than that start reading the word start reading the word know what the bible says yes pray often for your family exactly you should you should lead out in prayer and even if your wife's not be the one person you should be praying for your family now yeah because likely you will have a family one day yeah so be preparing now to lead your family and if you're in a family right now prepare even still to continue to lead them spiritually by the word of god you deviate from the word of god that is effeminacy no deviation from the word of god no deviation from physical masculinity um and ultimately if you do that you deviate from overall masculinity in and of itself exactly and both real quick warning as we before we wrap up physical and spiritual both important what's more important obviously the spiritual don't ever let your masculinity get wrapped up in trucks guns sports whatever that's not like those aren't masculine things and men will be drawn to that and i would say those are good for men usually as an outlet to go hunting to go shoot some guns or play a sport go play basketball go wrestle wrestle yeah go fight some people you know wrestle with your friends or obviously a sport is kind of like a battle that kind of thing those are all good things never ever let your masculinity be defined by those that you're not a man if you don't like hunting or you don't like trucks you don't like guns or whatever obviously we'll probably be more drawn to those things but what primarily makes a man is self-control leadership courage strength which manifests itself in all those different spheres exactly can manifest in the physical realm obviously in a bunch of different ways but but spiritually it looks the usually like the exact same it's a one virtue that has an obvious target and it mails life and if if you love like rocky talk about if you love sports if you love guns if you love hunting you know things like this carpentry whatever if you love these things and yet when you're in fellowship with brothers sisters in christ you have a problem with being able to talk about the lord jesus and talk about spiritual matters you're a feminine yeah just straight up you're a feminine you're kind of a coward if it if it's hard to talk about those things yeah that should be the most pleasant delight to you to talk about those things even over guns you know forget about sports whatever it's in 43 x's for a second if you can't talk about christ if you can't talk about doctrine and baker about it and argue with guys about doctrine you're a feminine yeah exactly okay i'm gonna finish up with a verse actually two verses and then um that will be it folks well okay i'll read the last this last verse concerning um masculinity first grethen 16 13 this is what paul says this is like one of the very last if not the last chapter that the very last chapter this is how he's exhorting the church and corinth be watchful stand firm in the faith act like men be strong so paul obviously knew there was masculinity lacking with the church in Corinth so thanks for listening guys obviously this has been the for the king podcast this is when then uh the sunday episodes we release obviously um the website's always an option there's resources on there i've released the 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